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[swoop10]

It's a confusing world -- full of noise, and interference, and distractions. And that's why the mosque controversy is such a beautiful thing. Because it immediately identifies the blithering idiots.

It always amazed at how open-minded and accepting of others views you libs are. All the love and accepting of others of all races, sexual orientation, or other ways of thinking. Whenever I think of the people who are accepting of others I always think of people like Rosie O'Donnell or Keith Olbermann.

The only blithering idiot is you. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean he is an idiot. Growup, you don't know this person and you can make a point without calling anyone names.

 

[SoldierForTide]

It always amazed at how open-minded and accepting of others views you libs are. All the love and accepting of others of all races, sexual orientation, or other ways of thinking. Whenever I think of the people who are accepting of others I always think of people like Rosie O'Donnell or Keith Olbermann.

The only blithering idiot is you. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean he is an idiot. Growup, you don't know this person and you can make a point without calling anyone names.

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on Tidefans.

I don't identify with either political party, so spare me the partisan insults. I do however, support the Constitution and have made my life's work to defend it. I am actually very proud of the President in this case. In the face of an ignorant maelstorm, he has upheld the basic principles of our freedom and didn't succumb to a rash decision because some people are upset.

Not all Muslims are evil and want death to America. Regardless, the intent of the building doesn't matter because it is legally and Constitutionally defended. Should we adopt a more repressive society like our enemies? Or should we be a figure of freedom, regardless of religion. The faster people get over their insecurities around religion, the better for all of us. Perhaps you'd be better suited if we were more like Saudi Arabia, Iran or Nazi Germany?

To be perfectly honest, the type of ignorance you display angers me on a personal level. Is this ground really hallowed? Where was your outrage when a strip club was put on this same block? How far should the mosque be from ground zero? It's already 2 blocks away, would 5 bocks be better? 10 maybe? It's arbitrary and if you have such an issue with a religious structure being legally built, maybe it's time to take a step back and realize that the foundation of a free society is based on basic rights, one of which being freedom of religion.

 

[kyallie]

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on Tidefans.

I don't identify with either political party, so spare me the partisan insults. I do however, support the Constitution and have made my life's work to defend it. I am actually very proud of the President in this case. In the face of an ignorant maelstorm, he has upheld the basic principles of our freedom and didn't succumb to a rash decision because some people are upset.

Not all Muslims are evil and want death to America. Regardless, the intent of the building doesn't matter because it is legally and Constitutionally defended. Should we adopt a more repressive society like our enemies? Or should we be a figure of freedom, regardless of religion. The faster people get over their insecurities around religion, the better for all of us. Perhaps you'd be better suited if we were more like Saudi Arabia, Iran or Nazi Germany?

To be perfectly honest, the type of ignorance you display angers me on a personal level. Is this ground really hallowed? Where was your outrage when a strip club was put on this same block? How far should the mosque be from ground zero? It's already 2 blocks away, would 5 bocks be better? 10 maybe? It's arbitrary and if you have such an issue with a religious structure being legally built, maybe it's time to take a step back and realize that the foundation of a free society is based on basic rights, one of which being freedom of religion.

Where is the funding coming from? Your so full of it! They haven't found union workers who will build it!

 

[SoldierForTide]

Where is the funding coming from? Your so full of it! They haven't found union workers who will build it!

Yep you're right, it is obviously Al Qaeda funding it then.

It's legal, cleared by elected officials, and sound under the Constitution. But we should just forget that, because you are offended because it's a mosque. Tell me what the problem is again?

 

[kyallie]

Who will build it? I don't think there are to many muslim iron workers.

 

[kyallie]

Who will build it? I don't think there are to many muslim iron workers.

Oh yeah. they've already stated that as bad as the economy is there's no takers on union workers to build it.

 

[swoop10]

This is the most ignorant thing I have ever read on Tidefans.

I don't identify with either political party, so spare me the partisan insults. I do however, support the Constitution and have made my life's work to defend it. I am actually very proud of the President in this case. In the face of an ignorant maelstorm, he has upheld the basic principles of our freedom and didn't succumb to a rash decision because some people are upset.

Not all Muslims are evil and want death to America. Regardless, the intent of the building doesn't matter because it is legally and Constitutionally defended. Should we adopt a more repressive society like our enemies? Or should we be a figure of freedom, regardless of religion. The faster people get over their insecurities around religion, the better for all of us. Perhaps you'd be better suited if we were more like Saudi Arabia, Iran or Nazi Germany?

To be perfectly honest, the type of ignorance you display angers me on a personal level. Is this ground really hallowed? Where was your outrage when a strip club was put on this same block? How far should the mosque be from ground zero? It's already 2 blocks away, would 5 bocks be better? 10 maybe? It's arbitrary and if you have such an issue with a religious structure being legally built, maybe it's time to take a step back and realize that the foundation of a free society is based on basic rights, one of which being freedom of religion.

Show me where I have said anything about the mosque and I'll apoligize. You have no idea where I stand on this issue. I was just talking about someone calling another poster names with no reason. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to resort to that to get your point across. Now where is the ignorance in that?

 

[SoldierForTide]

Show me where I have said anything about the mosque and I'll apoligize. You have no idea where I stand on this issue. I was just talking about someone calling another poster names with no reason. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to resort to that to get your point across. Now where is the ignorance in that?

Apologies I was trying to quote Go_Bama and somehow misfired.

 

[swoop10]

Apologies I was trying to quote Go_Bama and somehow misfired.

No problem but your Constitutional arguement doesn't hold up IMO. There are more mosques in areas where Muslim actually live. The percentage of Muslims living in that area is pretty low from what I have heard. IMO, this is just a trophy that this one Imman wants to display. If it happens then so be it but if you don't think that it is a poke in the eye then I think you have your head stuck in the sand.

 

[SoldierForTide]

No problem but your Constitutional arguement doesn't hold up IMO. There are more mosques in areas where Muslim actually live. The percentage of Muslims living in that area is pretty low from what I have heard. IMO, this is just a trophy that this one Imman wants to display. If it happens then so be it but if you don't think that it is a poke in the eye then I think you have your head stuck in the sand.

Heck maybe it is, but are you willing to put the Constitution aside to prove a point? I'm not, it sets a irreverseable precedent that we don't want any part of.

 

[gmart74]

Heck maybe it is, but are you willing to put the Constitution aside to prove a point? I'm not, it sets a irreverseable precedent that we don't want any part of.

the constitution has been wiped across the butts of every politician for the last 100 yrs. it is a completely worthless document in practice. why people keep harping on it like it means anything is strange to me. america has a long proud history of tossing the constitution to the side whenever it got in the way.

 

[SoldierForTide]

the constitution has been wiped across the butts of every politician for the last 100 yrs. it is a completely worthless document in practice. why people keep harping on it like it means anything is strange to me. america has a long proud history of tossing the constitution to the side whenever it got in the way.

Wow

 

[gmart74]

Wow

do you disagree?

 

[SoldierForTide]

do you disagree?

I do not agree that the Constitution is a worthless piece of paper, no.

 

[gmart74]

I do not agree that the Constitution is a worthless piece of paper, no.

i want it to be worth something. i would absolutely love it. i used to think it meant something. however our beloved gov has a long history of discarding it to suit their needs. as such, if it can be thrown away at the whim of those in power, then it is worthless. i agree that from a purely monetary viewpoint it probably is worth a lot of money, but as a guarantee of our rights it has been shown to be laughably weak when it is most needed.
either it is the law of the land at all times or it is a cute piece of paper with some suggestions on it. do i really need to list the facts that show which of these options is the better descriptor of that document?

 

[SoldierForTide]

i want it to be worth something. i would absolutely love it. i used to think it meant something. however our beloved gov has a long history of discarding it to suit their needs. as such, if it can be thrown away at the whim of those in power, then it is worthless. i agree that from a purely monetary viewpoint it probably is worth a lot of money, but as a guarantee of our rights it has been shown to be laughably weak when it is most needed.
either it is the law of the land at all times or it is a cute piece of paper with some suggestions on it. do i really need to list the facts that show which of these options is the better descriptor of that document?

People make bad decisions all the time, but that shouldn't render all of our fundamental values worthless.

Let's bring it full circle. Religious leaders in EVERY religion make poor decisions that don't mesh with their teachings. Should Christians discount the Bible because some people didn't follow it? You don't really fix a wrong by compounding the problem.

Take it a step further and whether it's in the Constitution or not, there are rights we are all born with - religion being one of them. I'm not really sure how you can deny that.

 

[gmart74]

People make bad decisions all the time, but that shouldn't render all of our fundamental values worthless.

Let's bring it full circle. Religious leaders in EVERY religion make poor decisions that don't mesh with their teachings. Should Christians discount the Bible because some people didn't follow it? You don't really fix a wrong by compounding the problem.

Take it a step further and whether it's in the Constitution or not, there are rights we are all born with - religion being one of them. I'm not really sure how you can deny that.

the whole concept of rights is laughable. rights are what a society chooses to give people. we use semantics and say a creator gives them to us. maybe he does and maybe he doesnt, but what i do know is that a few people with guns can take all those rights away any time they want to. culture and civilization is a myth. watch any riot or public disaster and that will show you what true reality is.

 

[CrimsonNan]

Obama Trying Very Hard To Be Worse Than Bush

Obama is the worst president our country has ever had - bar none - without trying at all.

 

[swoop10]

Heck maybe it is, but are you willing to put the Constitution aside to prove a point? I'm not, it sets a irreverseable precedent that we don't want any part of.

The Constitution isn't being put to the side. There are atleast 30 to 40 mosques in NY City, so how are any rights being taken away. I would be willing to wager a very large sum of money that other churches or other religious buildings have not been allowed to be built for various reasons. Through zoning laws or other reasons there have been many buildings not allowed to be built, religious or other wise. It doesn't stop someone from practicing their religion, there are plenty of places to do that.

 

[Bama_Dawg]

It always amazed at how open-minded and accepting of others views you libs are. All the love and accepting of others of all races, sexual orientation, or other ways of thinking. Whenever I think of the people who are accepting of others I always think of people like Rosie O'Donnell or Keith Olbermann.

The only blithering idiot is you. Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean he is an idiot. Growup, you don't know this person and you can make a point without calling anyone names.

No.

This is the error of civility.

At some point, you have to look at the logic behind arguments like "Barack Obama supports building a mosque in New York, so Barack Obama is a anti-America" and call it out for what it is. Idiocy. And the person who made it? An idiot.

I do not and will not "love and accept" demagogy.