Ohio State May Be Without Terrelle Pryor and Others Because Of Alleged Free Tattoos

[bamacon]

I think the NCAA now stands for No Cajones At All

 

[tideronthehooch]

So the OSU guys are reported to have been receiving extra benefits for up to 2 YEARS and all they get is a future suspension??? Absolutely ridiculous. So much for the holier than thou attitude the Big 10 fans (especially OSU) have about "cheating". With this and the BS Scam ruling, I think the NCAA owes us some games back and a big darn apology for the "staring down the barrel of a gun" statement. I'll bet none of these guys ever serves a game and are counting their money in the NFL when the season kicks off next year.... BUT I'll bet they have a WILD time in NOLA on the Sugar Bowl trip.

 

[PaulD]

So clearly ignorance is now a plausible defense to the NCAA, both with this and the Cam Newton deal. Maybe Coach Saban should quit with all the compliance training. If the players do something stupid to make a buck, they can just say they didnt know. If our boosters start writing checks, then the university can just say they didnt know. This defense clearly didnt work with the Means deal or the text books. But it should hold up now.

Actually the rules must say somewhere that the lack of knowledge defense (also called implausible deniability) doesn't apply to the University of Alabama.

 

[TexasRed]

So clearly ignorance is now a plausible defense to the NCAA, both with this and the Cam Newton deal.

Well, if you forced me to guess, I would say that the NCAA laid down the Cam rationale simply because it was politically expedient (for whatever reasons), but now they are forced to square that decision with pretty much every investigation they conduct from now on. Again, just guessing, but I think someone at OSU argued vociferously that the players' ignorance of the rule should be exculpatory, as it was in the Newton case. The NCAA has kicked open a hornet's nest with that Cam ruling.

 

[BamaDude06]

So the NCAA is going to make them vacate any games they participated in correct?
No?!?!?!? That's just a Bama rule?? Oh yeah, I forgot. My bad.

 

[kayakerjess]

A five game suspension is actually pretty harsh, and probably fits the crime. I just can't see how the NCAA can justify allowing them to play in the bowl game, especially given that some/most can enter the NFL after this year anyway. Ignorance of the rules is actually a valid excuse? Gimme a break! Talk about an incentive to bend the rules.

Oh yeah, money is the king, so we can't have the folks running the Sugar Bowl get hit in the pockets... At this point, the tickets are sold and the rooms are booked, so what actual monetary loss are they talking about? Are advertisers able to pull their commitments this late in the game based on who is playing? Is that even possible?

 

[kayakerjess]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

Bingo! Too bad if they're going to a major bowl. If they cheated, suspend them. And I'm talking about ANY team here, Bama included. Seriously think about it this way: Bama kids sell some textbooks to their friends/fellow students. Yes, it's wrong, but in no way did it give our team a competitive advantage on the field. Yet, the NCAA vacated our wins. Cecil Newton ADMITS to shopping his son to MSU and nothing comes out of it, because Cam "didn't know". I just don't get it....I really don't.

Dude, nobody sold anything or received any money in the text book issue. You should go back and familiarize yourself with what really happened.

 

[gmart74]

Re: 5 Ohio St. Players (including Pryor) suspended for first 5 games of 2011

can't we just hang a few ncaa higher ups and bring respectability back to the organization?

 

[brutetough]

As Mark May said, if it's an SEC school, they'd be banned for the bowl game. Whatever NCAA...

So the NCAA is going to make them vacate any games they participated in correct?
No?!?!?!? That's just a Bama rule?? Oh yeah, I forgot. My bad.

 

[BamaFossil]

Mark May excoriated the NCAA in his remarks on ESPN last night. I was proud of him! His points...

- If you look up the words "hypocritical" and "fraud" in the dictionary, you'll find the four letters "NCAA" in the definitions.

- UGA with A.J. and Bama with Darius didn't have the opportunity to postpone sitting out games. They sat immediately.

- Big Ten in particular, and to a lesser extent the PAC 10, gets preferential treatment by the NCAA.

- If it had been Ryan Mallett that had committed a transgression, there's no way the NCAA would have allowed him to participate in the Sugar Bowl.

- NCAA targets the SEC schools.

His critique of the NCAA was scathing. I hope someone who knows how to do it can find a link to the telecast of his remarks and post it. It's worth watching.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Mark May excoriated the NCAA in his remarks on ESPN last night. I was proud of him! His points...

- If you look up the words "hypocritical" and "fraud" in the dictionary, you'll find the four letters "NCAA" in the definitions.

- UGA with A.J. and Bama with Darius didn't have the opportunity to postpone sitting out games. They sat immediately.

- Big Ten in particular, and to a lesser extent the PAC 10, gets preferential treatment by the NCAA.

- If it had been Ryan Mallett that had committed a transgression, there's no way the NCAA would have allowed him to participate in the Sugar Bowl.

- NCAA targets the SEC schools.

His critique of the NCAA was scathing. I hope someone who knows how to do it can find a link to the telecast of his remarks and post it. It's worth watching.

Here's the video.

Mark May Blasts The NCAA - ESPN Video - ESPN

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Mark May excoriated the NCAA in his remarks on ESPN last night. I was proud of him! His points...

- If you look up the words "hypocritical" and "fraud" in the dictionary, you'll find the four letters "NCAA" in the definitions.

- UGA with A.J. and Bama with Darius didn't have the opportunity to postpone sitting out games. They sat immediately.

- Big Ten in particular, and to a lesser extent the PAC 10, gets preferential treatment by the NCAA.

- If it had been Ryan Mallett that had committed a transgression, there's no way the NCAA would have allowed him to participate in the Sugar Bowl.

- NCAA targets the SEC schools.

His critique of the NCAA was scathing. I hope someone who knows how to do it can find a link to the telecast of his remarks and post it. It's worth watching.

EXCEPT he conveniently forgot about Cam and Cecil and their SEC team, or maybe May thinks Auburn is in New York :biggrin: I channel surfed yesterday evening and it wasn't just Mark May, it was everyone I saw blasting the NCAA.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

As much as I hate this decision, we do need to slow down a little bit. There is a NCAA clause that allows the reinstatement department to postpone a punishment in cases of bowl games/postseason play. So, really, the NCAA is following their rules in this situation. They're not making up this rule and then applying it.

However, I really don't understand that logic. It's basically saying that you can mess up, but not really feel the consequences until later on. Why not punish them now? They admitted to receiving benefits, but you're not going to punish them? Doesn't them receiving benefits take away the "amateur" status which the NCAA will hold onto so dearly? Of course it doesn't.

 

[BamaBrass]

I wonder what would happen if a large number of universities decided to secede from the NCAA and form a new governing body for college athletics.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

As much as I hate this decision, we do need to slow down a little bit. There is a NCAA clause that allows the reinstatement department to postpone a punishment in cases of bowl games/postseason play. So, really, the NCAA is following their rules in this situation. They're not making up this rule and then applying it.

However, I really don't understand that logic. It's basically saying that you can mess up, but not really feel the consequences until later on. Why not punish them now? They admitted to receiving benefits, but you're not going to punish them? Doesn't them receiving benefits take away the "amateur" status which the NCAA will hold onto so dearly? Of course it doesn't.

This is an interesting primise. What exactly is the defination of amateur and Professional? According to the NCAA you are a pro if you are paid. However, if caught and they ask you pay it back then you are not a pro. :conf2:

2. following occupation as paid job: engaged in an occupation as a paid job rather than as a hobby
professional tennis player
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

According to the NCAA is seems that if Eli Manning decided to play for free he would not be a professional, but an amateur?

 

[BamaNation]

The NCAA has invalidated itself and made itself irrelevant with this and the Scam Newton rulings.

I find it pretty pathetic that the big 10/11/12 commish was mouthing off about Mike Slive involvement and decision regarding Scam Newton and now he issues this. Guess his league isn't quite as pure as he professes.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

The NCAA governing authorities lost all credibility with the Cam Newton thing. Let me get this straight...it is OK for parents to cheat if the student does not know about it, but schools themselves are still held responsible if alumni cheat even when the school does not know about it.

I found this quote on a Tex Ag board. I had not actually connected the two together, but this is a valid point to me. After futher review I think those who said the NCAA had opened up a real can of worms with Cam did not know ruling were correct and not just knee jerking.

Why are the other players WHO DID NOT KNOW placed on probation and banned from bowls?

Also I wonder if this has any legs: This story isn't over. A tattoo parlor? IRS or cop raid? All this stuff is in the back? Need a cover story for how it all got there? Just like the Newton deal, someone else was under investigation (tattoo parlor owner here, casino guy in Auburn) and a sports story gets inadvertently outed.

 

[twofbyc]

The NCAA has invalidated itself and made itself irrelevant with this and the Scam Newton rulings.

I find it pretty pathetic that the big 10/11/12 commish was mouthing off about Mike Slive involvement and decision regarding Scam Newton and now he issues this. Guess his league isn't quite as pure as he professes.

IMO, it's about money, Brett; who is going to the SB if those 5 OSU players aren't playing? I would bet the farm the SuperDome might not be more than half-full. The sponsors and advertisers would go nuts (as they probably did when Tressel initially suspended them from the SB, at least that's what I heard). A few phone calls to the NCAA from Allstate and others turned into "We want to punish them so it hurts their chances to go unbeaten and win the B 10/11/12, and maybe the BCSCG. The bowl game is meaningless."
Yeah, right.

 

[bamamoss2]

Mark May excoriated the NCAA in his remarks on ESPN last night. I was proud of him! His points...

- If you look up the words "hypocritical" and "fraud" in the dictionary, you'll find the four letters "NCAA" in the definitions.

- UGA with A.J. and Bama with Darius didn't have the opportunity to postpone sitting out games. They sat immediately.

- Big Ten in particular, and to a lesser extent the PAC 10, gets preferential treatment by the NCAA.

- If it had been Ryan Mallett that had committed a transgression, there's no way the NCAA would have allowed him to participate in the Sugar Bowl.

- NCAA targets the SEC schools.

His critique of the NCAA was scathing. I hope someone who knows how to do it can find a link to the telecast of his remarks and post it. It's worth watching.

^^ This exactly!!!

 

[TideMan09]

I wonder what would happen if a large number of universities decided to secede from the NCAA and form a new governing body for college athletics.

I would love too see the big money schools break off from the NCAA & start a new governing body..Let the smaller schools stay with the NCAA..Coach Bryant wanted too do this back in the day..But not enough schools had big enough nads too do it..