Punter Jay Williams backup?

fballcraze

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With Pharr out for good, who will back up the new punter Jay Williams? Or worse..what if he develops a case of freshmen jitters and is inconsistent?

Hopefully not the punter in the spring game that downed his own punt!:eek:
 
We always have some quality walk-on punters and kickers. If you think about it, AL had very few kickers or punters on scholarship until just a few years ago. Leigh Tiffin, Michael Proctor, Van Tiffin, Phillip Doyle, etc. all started out as walk-ons. Some were given scholarships after a couple of years of kicking. I think I do remember another quality punter from the Birmingham area was going to walk-on. Don't recall his name off hand. We'll find out come fall practice.
 
I gotta bad feeling about this kicking situation, it's the one thing you can't really coach up. Saban and co. could teach me to be a decent linebacker but kicking is weird, you either got it or you don't.
 
I gotta bad feeling about this kicking situation, it's the one thing you can't really coach up. Saban and co. could teach me to be a decent linebacker but kicking is weird, you either got it or you don't.
It sounds like you know some football, but I have to respectfully disagree here, at least to an extent.

There is no question but what Saban has had an effect on the kicking game, and on special teams in general.

I am thinking at the moment of an incident a couple or three years ago in which our punter, Fitzgerald (?), shanked a punt over towards Saban and the sideline (right side on the TV). This was towards the very end of the game. We had pretty well salted away the victory. But Saban threw a big one over this. You could see him giving Fitzgerald what for as he exited the field.

What was that about? It was about Saban's mantra: FINISH. Saban obviously has thought that when he came into the program, Shula's influence had set it up so that the team got lax towards the end of a game.

For that matter, I would go even so far as to say that we won a national championship last year without a full demonstration of putting away a team. I know that we purposely played it conservative in the third quarter, because we were backed up with bad field position. But the point is that all last year, I didn't see us get to the point of putting a good team away and then shutting them down. Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I see as what Saban means about FINISHING. As he said in that 2008 halftime speech at Baton Rouge, "Beat on him until he QUITS." When you don't FINISH, the other guy doesn't QUIT.

Your idea here that the kicking game is somehow divorced from the rest of the game, I think, falls a bit short. As another post-er on here said a day or two ago, the kicking game is VITAL to the overall game effort. It can so set the other team back that they can't get good field position. Therefore, the kicking game is integral and vital, right there along with the offense and defense.

Mike Shula's philosophy about using Leigh Tiffin, when Tiffin was a freshman, was to just let him keep on missing field goals against Tennessee until he made one. The result was that we lost a big Tennessee game we should have won, and the Bama nation finally had had their bate of Mike Shula. That kicking performance, it might be said, sealed Mike Shula's fate and ultimately brought in Nick Saban.

When Saban came in, it looked like he took Leigh Tiffin under his wing. He counselled him to think positively, to let bygones be bygones. Saban milked every bit of ability he could out of Leigh Tiffin, and I wonder if Tiffin STILL has never gotten over the psychological situation of being Van Tiffin's son.

Remember the blocked field goal against LSU in 2008? How Saban was gesturing to Tiffin as they walked up the sideline? He was telling him he needed to get more arch on the kick.

The same was true of the special teams play on the kickoff. In the first part of 2007, that was an Achilles' Heel. Showed up in the Georgia game that year. Saban got on it. It improved.

You say that kicking can't be coached like linebacking, for example, can. Well, both those aspects of the game CAN be coached, because the overall mindset applies to both. You are there to accomplish a task. If you don't do it right, Saban is going to let you know about it.
 
After watching the A-Day game I would think the most likely back up for Williams would probably be Coach Pendry.

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I think this may be an area that Coach Saban might have to follow Coach Leach's lead. Open the job up to the entire student body. Isn't that how that kid got the kicking job at Tech a couple years ago?
 
We always have some quality walk-on punters and kickers. If you think about it, AL had very few kickers or punters on scholarship until just a few years ago. Leigh Tiffin, Michael Proctor, Van Tiffin, Phillip Doyle, etc. all started out as walk-ons. Some were given scholarships after a couple of years of kicking. I think I do remember another quality punter from the Birmingham area was going to walk-on. Don't recall his name off hand. We'll find out come fall practice.

I'm fairly certain that Procter and Doyle were both given scholarships straight out of high school and were not walk-ons. Both were considered to be one of the best, if not the best, kicker in the nation coming out of high school.
 
Mike Shula's philosophy about using Leigh Tiffin, when Tiffin was a freshman, was to just let him keep on missing field goals against Tennessee until he made one. The result was that we lost a big Tennessee game we should have won, and the Bama nation finally had had their bate of Mike Shula. That kicking performance, it might be said, sealed Mike Shula's fate and ultimately brought in Nick Saban.

Tiffin was 2 for 2 and 1 PAT vs Tennessee. You may mean against Arkansas that year when he missed 3 FG 1 each in the first and fourth quarter and again in OT. His last 2 were misses. Leigh kicked 4 FG vs Tenn the following year ('07), 3 FG in 08 and a game winning 4 FG in '09 where he scored all of Alabama's points. I don't think Leigh ever had a bad game against Tennessee. ;)
 
It seems to me that if a team has a position where the player is not as good as the other positions, the coach can work around it...a simple example, if the quarterback has bruised ribs, run the ball. If one side of the line is weaker, go the opposite way.

There's no covering up what a kicker can or can't do when he gets out there. The kickers don't usually see the kind of physical contact as do the others, but in my opinion they are dealing with a higher level of pressure.

******** reading back over my post, it occurs to me you can rearrange the letters in the word opinion to spell onion with pi left over.
 
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Tiffin was 2 for 2 and 1 PAT vs Tennessee. You may mean against Arkansas that year when he missed 3 FG 1 each in the first and fourth quarter and again in OT. His last 2 were misses. Leigh kicked 4 FG vs Tenn the following year ('07), 3 FG in 08 and a game winning 4 FG in '09 where he scored all of Alabama's points. I don't think Leigh ever had a bad game against Tennessee. ;)
Bayou Tider --

You're right, I'm wrong. It was the Arkansas game of 2006 when Shula kept sending him in there. I had the impression after that, that this is what finally turned off a lot of Bama fans to Shula. It was the straw that broke the camel's back, as far as I was concerned.
 
If they could find a woman with the leg strength to get enough hang-time on a football(even without worrying about distance),,,,, they would play her at linebacker.
 
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