QB position

[pluckngrit]

i'm all for whoever's a leader and who wants to win more. whether it's jpw or jb or jj. but for the life of me i don't know some people just assume jpw will get most of the snaps for the next few years. if he's that good, then sweet. but, croyle is gone. jb needs to show us he's got the footwork and not be another freddie kitchens. would love to see jj get a shot if he wants it. would like to see a complete qb with speed to keep these sec d's honest. would open up darby's big gainers. or a possible three headed qb monster? i doubt shula would go there.

a-day should be interesting. thoughts on who you'd like to see step up as tide's starting qb for 06-08?

 

[crimsonnate]

i'm all for whoever's a leader and who wants to win more. whether it's jpw or jb or jj. but for the life of me i don't know some people just assume jpw will get most of the snaps for the next few years. if he's that good, then sweet. but, croyle is gone. jb needs to show us he's got the footwork and not be another freddie kitchens. would love to see jj get a shot if he wants it. would like to see a complete qb with speed to keep these sec d's honest. would open up darby's big gainers. or a possible three headed qb monster? i doubt shula would go there.

a-day should be interesting. thoughts on who you'd like to see step up as tide's starting qb for 06-08?

What about Guillion? I think that JPW and if he doesnt work next year, see what JJ can do. Barnes looks real good too. We have good depth at the position and am looking forward to the future. I will miss Brodie, I just wish that he could have stayed healthy his whole career we would have seen something special.

 

[Boclive]

I'm about ready to start judging quarterbacks by their win-loss record.

John Parker Wilson is 0-0 as a starter.

Hard to say at this point if he is my favorite or not.

He could be a winner, though. He's looked like a winner every time I've seen him play.

 

[TRUTIDE]

I personally think JPW will really do well at QB.

He was really successfull in 6A ball at Hoover and looked pretty comfortable the few times he got in there this year.

I wonder about his younger brother Ross. Has anyone heard about where he might have his sights set for? He played really well in the head to head matchup with Tebow and had a big day in the 6A championship game as well.

I know it seems big right now that we lost "the chosen one" to FL, but I really dont know that Tebow would have unseated Wilson or whoever wins the job. We have some pretty talented QB's in state. Cox, Russell and Pat White will all be QB-ing in some pretty decent bowl games this year and they are all homegrown. I think JPW and his younger brother will both be as good as or better than Tebow. i probally would have preferred Smelly over Tebow just for the deditication he would have brought to the team. I respect Shula for going for the best of the best but these are just 18 yr old kids. There are no gaurantees. Look at Cox over at Auburn. He was practically begging to come to Bama but we just did not think he could cut it.

What I think we need at the QB position is some coaching. Our QB coaching has held back many a good QB at Bama and I think we are still lacking in that dept. Brodie seemed to really go downhill after the FL game and really looked lost in those last two games. This was as much a result of preparation and coaching than anything else. We took a recruit that was every bit as highly touted as Tebow, was compared to Lienhart early on in the season and then just kinda fell off the RADER.

I would love to see Propst from Hoover added to our coaching staff. The man is a phenominal coach and has turned every team he has touched to gold. I remember when he took over at Alma Bryant down in Bayou LaBatre. They went undefeated in their first season and he put an all around product on the field. Everyone knows the job he is doing at Hoover. He would help out tremendously on in-state recruiting and may provide some insight to developing these young QB's we are bringing in.

Shula is going to throw the ball. Our days of clock management and running the ball are all but over. I just think that it does not matter who we have at QB if we dont have the coaching to develope them. None of these kids are anything untill the are developed at the college level. Brodie had all the raw talent anyone could have ever asked for but he looked like he was back in his 2A days when he faced off against Auburn.

 

[BamaFan1956]

trutide

have you ever coached any qb and have you ever coached in the nfl if you have i will take your opinioun over cms

 

[JessN]

have you ever coached any qb and have you ever coached in the nfl if you have i will take your opinioun over cms

I realize you're new and you may not know this, but this site thrives on discussion of football issues and if everyone had to be a former NFL or college coach, we wouldn't have much traffic. Posts like yours don't discuss the issue at hand, they lean towards an attack on the poster's credibility, and we'd rather not have that.

Let's keep this discussion on point.

 

[UAEngineer113]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but every drive JP has led...scored a TD?

 

[BAMAMAN9804]

We need a QB that can run

I personally think that J. Johns Would be the better of the QB's. Just with the pure ahtletic abilty and toughness. Just think about having 3 RBs in the back field and still have the threat of throwing the football. We will see in the spring, beacuse Johns will be getting some snaps. I can all but guarantee that Johns will line up under center next year. KEEP ON ROLLIN

ROLLTIDE

 

[TRUTIDE]

have you ever coached any qb and have you ever coached in the nfl if you have i will take your opinioun over cms

Well I don't coach at the NFL level but I do coach at the youth level. Does that count? I've been coached by and been around former professional players and my family has a history of QB-ing including one of National Championship caliber who QB-ed Bear's first National Championship team at Alabama.

I don't claim any expertise except that of a long time fan and I am a huge Brodie fan and a bigger fan of Shula's. I'm just not blind. I have been big fans of Watts, Zow, Phillips, Kitchens, Barker, the Tucker boys, Dunn and many before them. I watched many of these kids in highschool as well. I just think that in the last decade or two, we have not fully developed the QB talent we have been blessed with.

 

[TRUTIDE]

I personally think that J. Johns Would be the better of the QB's. Just with the pure ahtletic abilty and toughness. Just think about having 3 RBs in the back field and still have the threat of throwing the football. We will see in the spring, beacuse Johns will be getting some snaps. I can all but guarantee that Johns will line up under center next year. KEEP ON ROLLIN

ROLLTIDE

I like everything I've seen from JJ this year. He has size, talent and a lot of drive.

I dont know that a running QB would thrive or survive in the SEC though. Every successfull one I've seen has gotten hurt at some point or just haven't been able to stay consistent against the tougher and quicker defenses.

 

[hollisx4]

Trutide

I agree with you.

On more than one occasion I have sat around with my football watching, Bama loving friends and we always start talking about some kid from Podunk U we are watching sling it all over the field, and then contrast that with us, and we sometimes dont have a QB that can throw a decent spiral for 10 yards.

I just have to believe that is coaching, or lack of. We dont develop our QB's to their potential. Although in my opinion, we have had some of the best in the country wear the crimson jersey.

I dont know how else you can explain it. For example, does anyone think the Mitchell kid from South Carolina is as good without the Ole ball coach there. I would have to say no.

 

[Proxigean Tide]

I think the reason for Bama not having dominant QBs is one of basic offensive philosophy.

The schools that produce top-producing QBs are ones whose offensive philosophy is to build the scheme and game plan around the passer. Bama has always practiced run-oriented, ball control offense.

Spurrier and others had success in the 90's by opening it up because most of the defensive schemes were designed to stop the run. Now days the defenses have adapted to pass-oriented offenses and everyone is going to more balanced attacks as a result. The vogue now is balanced, pro-style offense introduced mostly by former NFL guys like Pete Carroll, Charlie Weiss and Mike Shula.

We saw some glimpes this season of the quick strike capability of this system when Bama had enough healthy players to execute. As Bama continues to rebuild its depth chart following sanctions, I think we will be pleased with the QB production. RTR.

 

[bamabake]

I tell you, give me the old days. If you run the ball well and stop the run well you will win most of your games. We seemed to try and pass to set up the run this year. It may have been more out of necessity than philosophy. I dont think we will know the real philosophy untill we are at full strength with the players that CMS wants. As for the QB, JPW looked ready and poised to me, at Alabama there has always been a " pay your dues " approach and he has done that by getting prepared for his chances. He threw it deep well, stood in the pocket for a TD and scrambled against barn. I think that he is our man come spring. From what CMS has said in the past there will be competition at every position though and that is great.

 

[Dedicated1965]

Fellows - have we not beat this subject to 1000 deaths already in all of the Tebow threads - please - let's change the subject.

 

[jumpman23]

run the ball 2 set up the pass is they way u play ball...or jus take what the d is giving you and audible 2 whatever you play is needed...just wanted 2 put that in

 

[babyray]

#14 will be the starting QB barring injury until he graduates IMO. He is going to be very, very good. I am not worried about the QB position.

 

[pluckngrit]

Fellows - have we not beat this subject to 1000 deaths already in all of the Tebow threads - please - let's change the subject.

actually i think this turned into a good discussion. i don't personally read the tebow threads so you'll have to excuse me.

the reason i started was to divert tebow talk and to the obvious qb battle that will ensue this spring. there will be fans of jp, barnes, jj and even guillon if he plays good in the spring. hopefully someone will step up.

i too thought brodie suffered through a horrific time at bama. a time where he wasn't even allowed to really play on an even level. couple that with the injuries, etc. maybe he'll prove us right in the NFL. we haven't had a real qb in the league since richard todd. maybe there is something to the development of qb's at bama.

 

[bamabake]

actually i think this turned into a good discussion. i don't personally read the tebow threads so you'll have to excuse me.

the reason i started was to divert tebow talk and to the obvious qb battle that will ensue this spring. there will be fans of jp, barnes, jj and even guillon if he plays good in the spring. hopefully someone will step up.

i too thought brodie suffered through a horrific time at bama. a time where he wasn't even allowed to really play on an even level. couple that with the injuries, etc. maybe he'll prove us right in the NFL. we haven't had a real qb in the league since richard todd. maybe there is something to the development of qb's at bama.

Like someone said, I think it was Alan, wait untill the senior bowl. Brodie will shine above all.

 

[bamar]

it is amazing how things change among us fans. i can remember when zow was beating all our sec opponents, and we went to the orange bowl, and should have won the bowl, if not for the poor coaching by dubose, the constant penalties on the offensive line, some key inujuries. and the missed extra point. so, andrew was still the best qb, and then along comes tyler watts with the great francone, and the change of offense, and zow was no longer needed. the best passing qb in the conference, everything was junked, and we became a option team, with a talented qb with no arm. then the probation period. then brodie croyle with his injuries, coaching changes, offensive line changes. and here we are debating who the best qb is going to be next year. folks, no body has a clue. it starts with the offensive line, we dont know what we have next year on the offensive line. our running game, passing game is all dependent on those big guys. how can any coach have a offensive philosophy when he doesnt know if he has a line. we are losing some key defensiv e players as well. we are rebuilding our team next year, and we are talking about who is going to be qb, and if we have a coach that can coach him properly. well, yes, we have a pretty good coach in mr. shula. and i am sure his hall of fame dad, can be of help as well. there is a lot needing to be done for next year. we still have a big game this year.

 

[tru2thaduce]

For a couple of years Shockley got a few series a game behind David Greene at UGA.I think this kept D's honest.When Shockely was a senior he was a great senior leader for the SEC champs.IMO,i wouldnt mind seeing JJ play the role of Shockley to JPW's D Greene.Just something to throw out there.