Question, Bama Arrest Record

[TidePrider]

Of the ten arrest of Alabama players since Saban's arrival at Alabama how many of them were his recruits?

 

[RTR_UA#1]

BAMA doesn't have an arrest record. A few misguided (from childhood, not CNS) kids got arrested.
Why ask a question like that?
It's sad if a kid does something to get arrested. No matter who recruited him.
Sadan has one full class he recruited and they are just getting to campus now.
The answer: NONE.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Saban is still having to do some house cleaning and changing the culture and attitudes of a down trodden program doesn't happen in one year. Three years into his tenure if this is still happening then I say let's start raising eyebrows.

But it is way way too early to be questioning or getting alarmed at anything Saban is doing.

 

[TidePrider]

BAMA doesn't have an arrest record. A few misguided (from childhood, not CNS) kids got arrested.
Why ask a question like that?
It's sad if a kid does something to get arrested. No matter who recruited him.
Sadan has one full class he recruited and they are just getting to campus now.
The answer: NONE.

What’s your problem? It’s a legitimate question. Everyone has been blasting CNS about his players being arrested and I want to know how many of them are his recruits. If you can’t answer an honest question without attitude than you share some of the traits of the players that have gotten into trouble. IT IS WHAT IT IS!

ROLL TIDE

 

[mark4tide]

The answer is Jeremy Elder. He was the only one Saban recruited.

 

[dvldog]

What’s your problem? It’s a legitimate question. Everyone has been blasting CNS about his players being arrested and I want to know how many of them are his recruits. If you can’t answer an honest question without attitude than you share some of the traits of the players that have gotten into trouble. IT IS WHAT IT IS!

ROLL TIDE

They may not be his recruits, but they are all his players. Is anything else relevant?

 

[RTR_UA#1]

They may not be his recruits, but they are all his players. Is anything else relevant?

EXACTLY!
Coach Saban is doing a great job of running the team and the dead wood no matter who recruited them will either get with the program or fall to the way side.
THEN it is a sad situation to see a kid throw away such a great oportunity. A free education at BAMA and a chance to play for the most storied program in college football.
I meant no offense by my reply. I just can't see the relevance of who the coach was that recruited an arrested individual.
Lets dwell on the POSITIVE. My $.02 worth.

RTR

 

[CapitalTider]

I agree that the coach (whether head coach or otherwise) responsible for the recruitment of the players that have been arrested is irrelevant. It's no secret that discipline had slipped under the prior regime; that's in the past but it is obviously still bearing fruit. The media probably knows this as well but it won't affect their reporting.

CNS has to play the hand he was dealt. I'm sure correcting the problem is part of his "process", i.e. restoring discipline, getting better quality (both on and off the field) players in and culling out the ones that cannot be redeemed. Unfortunately, CNS will bear some of the "lumps" from the media while this "process" plays out. It may not be entirely "fair" (if one can agree on a definition of "fair"); but it is what it is. I'm sure CNS understands this and really doesn't give much thought to the media portrayal of the situation.

In many respects I'm okay with the media putting some of the blame on CNS. I'm not questioning any of his decisions or implying that he should be doing something any differently. I've just always felt that responsibility ultimately rests with the guy in charge. That's why they're in charge and draw a big salary, to be responsible for these situations. I would be surprised if CNS didn't feel similarly.

 

[VirginiaTider22]

I will say this... I have been a DC and HC in high school football for many years now. Character issues have changed TREMENDOUSLY over the past 5-10 years. One kid who was a honoroll students was charged with rape and another who was one of the best kids I have ever known was charged with selling drugs. In the past I never had one single issue with young men doing anything more than a occasional fight with another student. Kids are very disrespectful and are sometimes "coddled" to the point they feel rules do not apply. If a player makes a mistake, either by attitude or breaking rules/laws, they are dismissed. NO CONSIDERATIONS. This is what I see happening in every CNS case thus far. The PLAYER and HIS FAMILY must own what has occured. I will support the young man in any situation and will give a second chance to show to his 1. Family, 2. TEAM, and 3. COACHES that they have corrected the character flaw that has hindered them. (Outside of any law breaking/conviction) Rival boards are going to have a field day, but please remember: In my heart of hearts I love every young man that has given me the pleasure of being a part of their lives, I love them, care for them and look after them to the best of my ability. I get personally involved because a young man makes many mistakes and needs alot of guidance in todays world. A coach is there 100% of their time because they want to, not because they have to. Where are the parents? Parents and the individual are the only ones to point the finger toward. I have three sons and do my very best to stay actively involved in their lives. As a parent or coach you try to provide tools each young man can use in LIFE. It hurts very badly to see a young man make a mistake of any magnitude that is publicised, talked about throughout the community, etc. A coach or family has no idea what a 16 year old much less a college player is doing in the 8-10 hours when out of school/practice. If you have done all you can, in your heart of hearts, to guide a young manand they make a mistake you don't give up on them, but THEY MUST OWN IT.

 

[Bama_Fan72]

Simple fact is no one can know everything about everybody all the time. It has nothing to do with the coach or the school it has everything to do with whatever person is involved. Do people honestly believe Jimmy Johns is the only dealer that is currently playing college football. Trouble happens at every school even the military acadamies and they are extremely selective on who they let in. We had some players doing stupid things they are no longer at the University of Alabama or a Crimson Tide football player so the correct action was taken. Would you have the coach punish someone for the mere assumption of wrong doing? I am officially done with the JJohns topic lets all move on.

 

[Boclive]

I am all for mentoring kids and remediating behavior, but at some point a team has to have discipline collectively. A good team plays with one heartbeat. If a kid needs a chance to get his act together, he needs to do it apart from the team.

 

[bayoutider]

The question has been answered and I will reply with this. The football forum isn't going to turn into CourtTV. Read some threads and you will find just about everything has been covered.