Alabama: Rank the positions that need the most work in the offseason

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OL- Should have been better. Are they still up for the Joe Moore award? I get it defenses have loaded the box and blitzed a lot. That didn't help, but the OL still didn't seem to be consistent. Jalen could have used more time in the pocket. The RBs needed better blocking.

Coaching - It's been a learning experience for all of them. But come on...make adjustments when needed. I mean..."Run Milroe Run" was not working against Okie. Yet it continued to be played expecting a different result each time.

LB - Lawson is a redshirt Junior. Does he come back? Campbell is a Junior. Does he return? Jefferson is a senior. Returners are freshman Justin Okoronkwo, Redshirt sophomore Jeremiah Alexander, Freshman Cayden Jones, and freshman Sterling Dixon.

Edge - We could really use a good one from the portal.

Place kicker - Need one. We have freshman Tucker Cornelius.?
 

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I get a kick out of everybody dogging on the OC:
Maybe he's not the next great thing but you can't make adjustments when you don't have someone in place who can execute the adjustments that need to be made. Did he maybe have a bad series or quarter or something along the way? Sure. But name me an OC, or any coordinator for that matter, who hasn't.
Before y'all jump on the OC too bad: remember we had the same discussion last season. We had a different OC - we had the same QB. So what's the common denominator?
Do the coordinators need to make some adjustments/changes moving forward? probably so. Of course you can kind of say that about any coordinator or staff, can't you?
Before we're too hard on the staff, let's let them get their own players cycled in and after another season or two let's revisit.

Lines on both sides of the ball need work, but again, is that because the players just aren't that good or because the type of players needed to run the offensive scheme are not in the system and players are getting asked (out of necessity) to do things they just don't have the skill set to do well?

The coaches on this staff run a whole different scheme than coach Saban and crew ran and it takes a minute to adjust and get the right pieces in place.

I'm "disappointed" in this season as well. But I have to step back and realize this was a transition season and with that comes bumps and bruises. I appreciate what most of the players gave Bama this season (the LANK thing can't get gone soon enough) and look forward to next season.
 

JustNeedMe81

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I get a kick out of everybody dogging on the OC:
Maybe he's not the next great thing but you can't make adjustments when you don't have someone in place who can execute the adjustments that need to be made. Did he maybe have a bad series or quarter or something along the way? Sure. But name me an OC, or any coordinator for that matter, who hasn't.
Before y'all jump on the OC too bad: remember we had the same discussion last season. We had a different OC - we had the same QB. So what's the common denominator?
Do the coordinators need to make some adjustments/changes moving forward? probably so. Of course you can kind of say that about any coordinator or staff, can't you?
Before we're too hard on the staff, let's let them get their own players cycled in and after another season or two let's revisit.
Okay. Few things to consider:
Oklahoma game- Who's decision was it to keep running Milroe throughout the game when it wasn't working?

If you see seven defenders at the LOS, common sense says to audible out of it and or call different plays to counter that.

Comparing to Tommy Rees isn't fair. Rees and Sheridan had same issue: lack of experience when it came to adjustments throughout the game. So it is fair to evaluate Nick Sheridan on his playcalling and the grades he has received is fair... Between a grade of B- to D plus is pretty much on average from what we've saw.
 
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JustNeedMe81

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OL- Should have been better. Are they still up for the Joe Moore award? I get it defenses have loaded the box and blitzed a lot. That didn't help, but the OL still didn't seem to be consistent. Jalen could have used more time in the pocket. The RBs needed better blocking.

Coaching - It's been a learning experience for all of them. But come on...make adjustments when needed. I mean..."Run Milroe Run" was not working against Okie. Yet it continued to be played expecting a different result each time.

LB - Lawson is a redshirt Junior. Does he come back? Campbell is a Junior. Does he return? Jefferson is a senior. Returners are freshman Justin Okoronkwo, Redshirt sophomore Jeremiah Alexander, Freshman Cayden Jones, and freshman Sterling Dixon.

Edge - We could really use a good one from the portal.

Place kicker - Need one. We have freshman Tucker Cornelius.?
Where's the grades? You didn't give them grades :)
 

gtgilbert

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QB.

I think it's incredibly hard to rank any other group related to the offense until that's addressed.

Why?

Coaches with the game plan not featuring the RBs as much we should have? Maybe not since the running offense was based on zone reads, and the QB is making the read on when to give and when to keep and we know that was not done consistently well with the QB often keeping when he should have given and vice versa. Maybe we could have had more pure run plays that were not zone read, but that would have required more things to install with a team already limited on what they could execute. That also means having some degree of play action, and with the limitations on the QB, that wasn't likely to be consistently effective either. The limitations of the QB impacted what options we had to make adjustments or to try to take advantage of something a D wasn't good at. Until we are able to see what this entire offense looks like with it completely installed, we really won't know what the coaches can do with it.

OL not blocking well? Teams were stacking 7 guys in the box when we had 4 WRs outside, playing 1-1 and cover zero and the QB was still executing a run play and not checking out into an audible for a pass play to take advantage. Asking 5 OL to block 7 on a run play isn't a good strategy from the QB. QB is, in theory, also calling the protections, and sometimes the line was shifting protections in ways that didn't make a lick of sense - i.e. shifting all the protection away from the defenses best pass rusher. I do think this group has some room to grow, especially our OTs, but there's just too many other variables they didn't actually control.

On D, I think we should look at the DL and LBs (inside and edge) together. It's really different from what we are used to from the past 17 years and the responsibilities change a lot in the position groups with different calls. I.e. we used to know that if we lost the edge contain, that was on an 'edge' player (either DE or OLB). Well, in this scheme it appears that sometimes we slant that edge player inside across the outside blocker and expect the ILB to scrape outside with support from the play side safety (Husky or SS, or whatever). Sometimes the edge player does have that outside gap though. We often didn't get this right, with the edge and the ILB taking the inside and it's hard to know which one was out of position without knowing the play call. I started the year pretty unhappy with our edge guys for losing contain until I noticed this re-watching games. I tend to think this was really the ILBs fault since the Edge guys were slanting immediately at the snap where the ILBs are kinda reacting, even if they shouldn't, to the zone read motions.

As for where each group stands, I think Edge LB (wolf) should be ok. Russaw was really the starter until he got hurt so losing Q Rob and Koht doesn't hurt a ton. Pierre looked good in spot duty and the 2 true freshman should be ready to step up behind them for depth. They all need to put on a little more mass though.

at ILB we're losing JJ for sure, and he was very underrated. Campbell is probably gone since he'll likely be top 3-5 at the position. Lawson I thought would be gone also, but with the injury maybe he comes back. Either way we're going to be very inexperienced in the 2 deep since no one else really got many snaps at these spots this season.

Edge DL (Bandit); Latham is gone and I wouldn't be shocked to lose Overton also. Renaud started working in this rotation when we got thin at Wolf and started playing with 2 bandits in some sets. There's a lot of guys back behind him, but not much experience so this area needs a lot of development just like ILB will.

Interior DL; There was decent rotation here so I think once we get more into the system and how it's played differently it'll be fine.
 

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Okay. Few things to consider:
Oklahoma game- Who's decision was it to keep running Milroe throughout the game when it wasn't working?

If you see seven defenders at the LOS, common sense says to audible out of it and or call different plays to counter that.

Comparing to Tommy Rees isn't fair. Rees and Sheridan had same issue
: lack of experience when it came to adjustments throughout the game. So it is fair to evaluate Nick Sheridan on his playcalling and the grades he has received is fair... Between a grade of B- to D plus is pretty much on average from what we've saw.
You answered that one yourself...:cool:

TBF to the OCs, a QB that is able to run your FULL offense as opposed to one that can only run 10% of your offense was the limiting factor. IMO, there simply isn't an OC in the country that could have done better with what we had to work with.
 

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Okay. Few things to consider:
Oklahoma game- Who's decision was it to keep running Milroe throughout the game when it wasn't working?

If you see seven defenders at the LOS, common sense says to audible out of it and or call different plays to counter that.

Comparing to Tommy Rees isn't fair. Rees and Sheridan had same issue: lack of experience when it came to adjustments throughout the game. So it is fair to evaluate Nick Sheridan on his playcalling and the grades he has received is fair... Between a grade of B- to D plus is pretty much on average from what we've saw.
Well, since almost all of the called runs were zone read option plays, some (not all) of that fault is on JM for keeping when he should have been giving. Our running game is/was the zone read or QB power because we had to build the offense around what JM could and could not do, and we were not calling a lot of QB power. The QB making the right decision is a big part of that. We don't exactly have a play action passing based attack.

hmm - who is it that is supposed to make the audible once the D stacks the line? Oh, yes, that's right! The QB is responsible for that!!! Headset turns off with 15 left on the playclock so it's not like Sheridan could make changes once we were lined up and into the pre-snap motions of the play.
 

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Well, since almost all of the called runs were zone read option plays, some (not all) of that fault is on JM for keeping when he should have been giving. Our running game is/was the zone read or QB power because we had to build the offense around what JM could and could not do, and we were not calling a lot of QB power. The QB making the right decision is a big part of that. We don't exactly have a play action passing based attack.

hmm - who is it that is supposed to make the audible once the D stacks the line? Oh, yes, that's right! The QB is responsible for that!!! Headset turns off with 15 left on the playclock so it's not like Sheridan could make changes once we were lined up and into the pre-snap motions of the play.
This is where I think the OL gets a lot of the blame when in actuality it was Milroe not changing the protection to the right side of the play. In two years we've had two OC's and fans have complained about the same thing from both of them, but the common denominator is the QB. The only logical answer is the QB has been the issue, not the OC's.
 

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This is where I think the OL gets a lot of the blame when in actuality it was Milroe not changing the protection to the right side of the play. In two years we've had two OC's and fans have complained about the same thing from both of them, but the common denominator is the QB. The only logical answer is the QB has been the issue, not the OC's.
one of the good analysts (Cubelic I think) did a review of this earlier in the season (against USC IIRC) and it was shocking how many times we were doing things in the protections that made absolutely NO sense.
 

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Okay. Few things to consider:
Oklahoma game- Who's decision was it to keep running Milroe throughout the game when it wasn't working?

If you see seven defenders at the LOS, common sense says to audible out of it and or call different plays to counter that.

Comparing to Tommy Rees isn't fair. Rees and Sheridan had same issue: lack of experience when it came to adjustments throughout the game. So it is fair to evaluate Nick Sheridan on his playcalling and the grades he has received is fair... Between a grade of B- to D plus is pretty much on average from what we've saw.
For the first question: We'll never know but I would be willing to bet that Milroe was calling his own #.

Second: yes, normally you would audible, but you have to have a clue about what to audible to. If you can't read what the defense is trying to do to you you aren't gonna have a clue about what to audible to......

Wasn't really comparing Tommy to Sharidan. Was pointing out the common denominator that each had to work with and fans were talking about both not making adjustments (see answers to questions 1 and 2 here).
 
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For the first question: We'll never know but I would be willing to bet that Milroe was calling his own #.

Second: yes, normally you would audible, but you have to have a clue about what to audible to. If you can't read what the defense is trying to do to you you aren't gonna have a clue about what to audible to......

Wasn't really comparing Tommy to Sharidan. Was pointing out the common denominator that each had to work with and fans were talking about both not making adjustments (see answers to questions 1 and 2 here).
Yes, we'll know. Milroe doesn't have really the freedom to change the play at LOS. he's given limited options and he can only choose out of that if he see something. Bryce Young was one of few that could change any plays and he had freedom to do so. Milroe didn't. Again, This goes back to..... OC. That's the message I'm trying to relay over and over. it's the OC. if I'm relaying run play to Milroe and we have 30 seconds left and we line up. I see the defense crowding the line... I tell Milroe to audible out of that and go to that play. 15 seconds left. Communication cut off. Then he has to get OL set and making sure protection is set. Not much he can do about it. Sheridan isn't quick in getting the call in to Milroe.

But you were in fact comparing both of the OC, since you said common denominator and your comments seem to suggest that it was Milroe and lack of adjustments... if I took that one wrong, then okay I'm sorry about that, but that's how it came out to me.
 

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This is where I think the OL gets a lot of the blame when in actuality it was Milroe not changing the protection to the right side of the play. In two years we've had two OC's and fans have complained about the same thing from both of them, but the common denominator is the QB. The only logical answer is the QB has been the issue, not the OC's.
He obviously can't do that... :rolleyes:
 
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