Russia Invades Ukraine pt XIV

[TexasBama]

So how are you guys interpreting this info? Are there far fewer than 270,000 Russian casualties, or could the Russians have a 1:5 death to casualty ratio?

It's kind of hard to interpret, because some use kia and casualties interchangeably, civilian deaths get added in, etc. I used US and Canada looking at ww2 because neither had many civilian deaths

 

[Tidewater]

If these numbers are even remotely accurate...



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I do not know for sure, but I can almost guarantee you the troops figure is killed and wounded. Some of the wounded will never be back. Some are RTD (Return to Duty). The normal ratio between dead and wounded is normally 1:3. The figures for KIA I saw this summer were around 80,000 KIA.
The source above is the Kyiv Independent. The figures are probably more accurate than Российская газета, but not entirely objective. Caveat lector.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

So how are you guys interpreting this info? Are there far fewer than 270,000 Russian casualties, or could the Russians have a 1:5 death to casualty ratio?

Everything I come up with has a huge, "yeah, but..." attached to the end.

As in, Canadian KIA to WIA ratio in WW2 was 2:3. Yeah, but....military field medicine has improved so much since then, especially with the advent of the medevac helicopter.

Yeah, but....the Russian's aren't exactly models of medical care for their soldiers (or anybody else, for that matter). I don't think they know or care to know their own numbers.

Yeah, but....if the Russians don't know their numbers, how can the Ukrainians possibly know? Plus, they have an incentive to make the number of total casualties as high as possible.

Bottom Line: I have no idea what an even ballpark number might be, and I don't think either the Russians or the Ukrainians know.

For Americans, the KIA / WIA ratio in Viet Nam might be a more telling comparison. But also don't know what that might have been. I do remember it being reported that, if a wounded American soldier in Viet Nam made it to a field hospital, his odds of surviving were in excess of 90%. Most KIAs were in the field. Some in transport. Still doesn't offer insight on the ratio, though.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I do not know for sure, but I can almost guarantee you the troops figure is killed and wounded. Some of the wounded will never be back. Some are RTD (Return to Duty). The normal ratio between dead and wounded is normally 1:3. The figures for KIA I saw this summer were around 80,000 KIA.
The source above is the Kyiv Independent. The figures are probably more accurate than Российская газета, but not entirely objective. Caveat lector.

It's anecdotal, but I've been reading that the RF is returning to duty men in no shape to perform. Of course, for "meat attacks, I guess all they have to do is carry a shovel. I don't think the Ukrainians are doing that. They seem to be making much more of an effort to take care of their injured (and even some Russians)...

 

[4Q Basket Case]

It's anecdotal, but I've been reading that the RF is returning to duty men in no shape to perform. Of course, for "meat attacks, I guess all they have to do is carry a shovel. I don't think the Ukrainians are doing that. They seem to be making much more of an effort to take care of their injured (and even some Russians)...

That would be consistent with your comment that Putin is acting like he has a bottomless reserve of 18 - 34 year old men. Whereas the Ukrainians fully realize that they (the Ukrainians) don't, and are marshalling their human resources.