Saban rejects 2 players over NIL money

[AlistarWills]

Saban turned down a player and sent another packing over NIL

Link

 

[BamaFanInTally]

Cohen wanted 500k of NIL money? I think i could write that deal to protect the collective. Just deduct 50k for every time he was flagged for holding. That dude would be owing us money by the end of the season.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Wait......I've been hearing from Auburn fans for years about how we pay all these players more money than anyone so......you're telling me we STOPPED??????

 

[2003TIDE]

Man the guy that came up with the High Tide Traditions NIL collective was pitching it at a ATL Bama Alumni event last year. He was putting off serious used car salesman vibes. I just stood there listening, but I really wanted to ask him what his rake was to provide this "service." The whole collective thing is shady as hell. "Send your monthly subscription money here, and I'll manage it wisely."

 

[bamaga]

Momani CaClain?

 

[Tidelines]

Momani CaClain?

you mean Mormone CaClain

 

[Ledsteplin]

Cohen wanted 500k of NIL money? I think i could write that deal to protect the collective. Just deduct 50k for every time he was flagged for holding. That dude would be owing us money by the end of the season.

No one said it was Cohen. The writer was guessing it might have been him.

 

[bama2112]

I would think CPB is smiling down from above. Kudos to CNS !!!

 

[bamaga]

. I’m not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."

Is that admitting a violation?

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Is that admitting a violation?

A violation of what? NCAA rules?

If so, I’ll say again what I’ve said before: The NCAA is now nothing more than an event planning organization. It plans one big event each year — the NCAA basketball tournament — and a whole bunch of smaller ones.

The smaller ones are championships for sports other than FBS football (over which it has exactly zero control or influence) or basketball….mostly what we used to call, “non-revenue sports.”

As a practical matter, there are no violations of NCAA rules anymore.

Additionally, there’s this quote from the linked article, attributed to Saban: “Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here.”

It depends on the antecedent(s) to the pronoun, “them.” But that doesn’t sound like a player with his hand out. That sounds like a high school coach, ”handler,” or other family member looking for a fee for delivering the player.

 

[bamamc1]

But By golly we’re going to keep Pruitt from coaching for helping kid’s families that were navigating difficult situations financially? This NIL is heading college sports to crap. RTR

 

[Tideflyer]

But By golly we’re going to keep Pruitt from coaching for helping kid’s families that were navigating difficult situations financially? This NIL is heading college sports to crap. RTR

Aspects of it are already crap.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Aspects of it are already crap.

Most of it is.

Trouble is, it’s all about individuals contracting to maximize their income — the capitalist American dream which I think all people should be free to pursue.

Which is why I think the only legally viable solution is collective bargaining.

Yes, that means a college players’ labor union negotiating with management — college presidents or their representatives. As much as I don’t like that, I think it’s preferable to the status quo.

I’d love to hear a better solution that (1) doesn’t involve nostalgia, and (2) has a chance of standing up in court.

 

[Tideflyer]

Most of it is.

Trouble is, it’s all about individuals contracting to maximize their income — the capitalist American dream which I think all people should be free to pursue.

Which is why I think the only legally viable solution is collective bargaining.

Yes, that means a college players’ labor union negotiating with management — college presidents or their representatives. As much as I don’t like that, I think it’s preferable to the status quo.

I’d love to hear a better solution that (1) doesn’t involve nostalgia, and (2) has a chance of standing up in court.

Wish I knew CNS well enough to talk with him in private over a couple of adult beverages ( saying that, I don`t even know if he drinks! ) about all this. Bet it would be fascinating. What he says in public may well be a departure from the depth of his actual true feelings.

 

[Tidelines]

Well he was in a bar once when he was a young coach and it got robbed. He likes to tell that story.

 

[CB4]

A violation of what? NCAA rules?

If so, I’ll say again what I’ve said before: The NCAA is now nothing more than an event planning organization. It plans one big event each year — the NCAA basketball tournament — and a whole bunch of smaller ones.

The smaller ones are championships for sports other than FBS football (over which it has exactly zero control or influence) or basketball….mostly what we used to call, “non-revenue sports.”

As a practical matter, there are no violations of NCAA rules anymore.

Additionally, there’s this quote from the linked article, attributed to Saban: “Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here.”

It depends on the antecedent(s) to the pronoun, “them.” But that doesn’t sound like a player with his hand out. That sounds like a high school coach, ”handler,” or other family member looking for a fee for delivering the player.

This is where all this crap gets so convoluted and sketchy. So coaches can’t be involved in NIL dealings/negotiations but players or handlers are letting them know their particular NIL demands in order to sign or not transfer? But they (student/athlete) are suppose to report all NIL agreements to compliance? And coaches are suppose to be “hands off” when dealing with NIL agents or NIL collectives? So you have parents, agents, handlers pimping players to coaches behind the scenes to attempt to give coaches plausible deniability?

Once again I’ll say this: The NCAA had a committee looking into what they knew was coming with NIL, and for TWO YEARS sat on their hands did NOTHING. And for two years after turning college athletics into free agency, they have DONE NOTHING.

The NCAA needs to just go away already.

 

[twofbyc]

This is where all this crap gets so convoluted and sketchy. So coaches can’t be involved in NIL dealings/negotiations but players or handlers are letting them know their particular NIL demands in order to sign or not transfer? But they (student/athlete) are suppose to report all NIL agreements to compliance? And coaches are suppose to be “hands off” when dealing with NIL agents or NIL collectives? So you have parents, agents, handlers pimping players to coaches behind the scenes to attempt to give coaches plausible deniability?

Once again I’ll say this: The NCAA had a committee looking into what they knew was coming with NIL, and for TWO YEARS sat on their hands did NOTHING. And for two years after turning college athletics into free agency, they have DONE NOTHING.

The NCAA needs to just go away already.

All those who didn’t see this coming raise your hand; I’ll schedule you for an eye exam.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Once again I’ll say this: The NCAA had a committee looking into what they knew was coming with NIL, and for TWO YEARS sat on their hands did NOTHING. And for two years after turning college athletics into free agency, they have DONE NOTHING.

The NCAA needs to just go away already.

With the one exception of show-cause on coaches (and I think that’s on shaky legal ground), it already has gone away. As I’ve said numerous times, it’s now an event-planning organization, nothing more.

What we have now is what happens when a formerly powerful governing authority is suddenly reduced to irrelevance. Note that “powerful” doesn’t necessarily equal, “just.” The NCAA wasn’t just by a long shot, but it was powerful.

Doesn’t matter how it gets reduced to irrelevance, just that it does.

You then have an ungoverned free-for-all power grab that makes the old west look like a church ice cream social.

Back when we all hated the NCAA, I was in a small minority (maybe a minority of one) in not wanting to abolish it on the spot. I wanted to have a replacement stood up and waiting only for the P5 to pull the plug on the NCAA.

My concern was that the NCAA would be made irrelevant, but without an effective replacement ready to go, we’d be left with no governance at all.

With the SCOTUS ruling on O’Bannon, that’s exactly what happened.

I hate what the NCAA did, and more what it didn’t do. But I can’t hate the institution anymore.…how can you hate something that no longer exists?

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Wish I knew CNS well enough to talk with him in private over a couple of adult beverages ( saying that, I don`t even know if he drinks! ) about all this. Bet it would be fascinating. What he says in public may well be a departure from the depth of his actual true feelings.

I certainly don’t know Nick Saban at all, so this is conjecture.

Based on what he’s said in the past, I’d guess he’d express the same ideas he’s already put forward publicly….only unvarnished, with a lot more colorful phrasing, and accompanied by real-life examples that would make your jaw drop.

Love him or hate him...and you might not like what he has to say...I don’t think the man knows how to lie.

 

[bamaga]

A violation of what? NCAA rules?

If so, I’ll say again what I’ve said before: The NCAA is now nothing more than an event planning organization. It plans one big event each year — the NCAA basketball tournament — and a whole bunch of smaller ones.

The smaller ones are championships for sports other than FBS football (over which it has exactly zero control or influence) or basketball….mostly what we used to call, “non-revenue sports.”

As a practical matter, there are no violations of NCAA rules anymore.

Additionally, there’s this quote from the linked article, attributed to Saban: “Someone with one of the best corners in the nation (in high school) came to me and asked if we’d pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here.”

It depends on the antecedent(s) to the pronoun, “them.” But that doesn’t sound like a player with his hand out. That sounds like a high school coach, ”handler,” or other family member looking for a fee for delivering the player.

Tell that to Jeremy Pruitt if he doesn’t get a job, I’m sure it will be comforting.