BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

[DanoCanuck]

Well it’s also likely that the SEC championship game has a semi finals round as well. But what I think is that it may kill the 12 team proposal altogether and force longer regular seasons and a more rational playoff expansion.

Its got to come down to the money split. There's a finite number of games that can be played. Every team in the conference will have to benefit from the windfall of cash coming from the expanded playoff. And bowl games, where does that fit in? It's also got to be part of the equation. I'm still thinking at the bare minimum 2 SEC teams are in the playoff but the conference could likely demand a 3rd team plus a 4th that played their way in. There's no way a Cincinnati or Memphis type team, conference champion even, should be bumping out a Florida with only a couple losses not in the conference championship game.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I don't believe that A&M was left out in the cold...you just don't treat any school that way, much less one of your premier schools. Now, UT and OU could have had some talks with each other and made an inquiry to the SEC office, but nothing more than that. Do we really think human beings could keep this quiet?

It's nonsense. This broke the way it did for a reason. It broke the day A&M had their media day. I also didn't know until I watched Josh Pate's video above, that A&M was the only school with their AD present at media days. They prepped to leak this on Wednesday.

I love our A&M friends here, so those of you present, please do not take this personally. But the Texas culture and personality is not unique to UT. UT is just the worst manifestation of it. But the "everything is bigger in Texas" culture is present with A&M folks as well. Naturally. So I don't believe they are lily white in this whole ordeal. They were present in these negotiations. They don't like them. They are most likely alone in that. And all of this leaking out the way it did was their play to damage UT.

It is what it is. For the third time in this thread, for our A&M friends, I do not blame A&M. And I am concerned what this means going forward for what I believe has been the most "together" league in America over the years. A lot of us hate one another, yes, but when it comes to facing outside forces, we generally band together.

 

[81usaf92]

There is some truth to that about the ACC. They've stooped to levels even the Big East wasn't willing to. I'm sure they believe their pandering will win out for them in the event Notre Dame is eventually forced to join a league fully. And maybe it does.

And let's be honest. The bully approach has never worked against Notre Dame. The Big Ten tried that and we see how that worked out.

Well Notre dame didn’t start to play in bowl games again until after the AP said championships would be determined after the season. That’s how you force them to comply.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I just want to know what is going to happen to that SEC vs. Big 12 Sugar Bowl as well as the SEC vs. Big 12 challenge in men's basketball.

 

[81usaf92]

I just want to know what is going to happen to that SEC vs. Big 12 Sugar Bowl as well as the SEC vs. Big 12 challenge in men's basketball.

On a serious note. It might force the SEC-ACC official NY6 matchup instead of having them an At large in a game we know is either going to be the SEC or B1G

 

[Padreruf]

It's nonsense. This broke the way it did for a reason. It broke the day A&M had their media day. I also didn't know until I watched Josh Pate's video above, that A&M was the only school with their AD present at media days. They prepped to leak this on Wednesday.

I love our A&M friends here, so those of you present, please do not take this personally. But the Texas culture and personality is not unique to UT. UT is just the worst manifestation of it. But the "everything is bigger in Texas" culture is present with A&M folks as well. Naturally. So I don't believe they are lily white in this whole ordeal. They were present in these negotiations. They don't like them. They are most likely alone in that. And all of this leaking out the way it did was their play to damage UT.

It is what it is. For the third time in this thread, for our A&M friends, I do not blame A&M. And I am concerned what this means going forward for what I believe has been the most "together" league in America over the years. A lot of us hate one another, yes, but when it comes to facing outside forces, we generally band together.

You are correct about the Texas culture...they would probably leave the USA and form their own country if they thought they could get away with it. The fundamentalist movement that destroyed the SBC came out of Texas -- they do not play well in the sandbox as they have to be in control. Baylor understood this and did not allow them to get a foothold on their board.

A&M has some of this attitude, but not near what UT does. A&M has been put down for so long that they have some sense of humility and decency. I am afraid that our commish is so full of himself that he thinks he can control UT and make this his "legacy."

Be careful what you wish for...

 

[DanoCanuck]

It's nonsense. This broke the way it did for a reason. It broke the day A&M had their media day. I also didn't know until I watched Josh Pate's video above, that A&M was the only school with their AD present at media days. They prepped to leak this on Wednesday.

I love our A&M friends here, so those of you present, please do not take this personally. But the Texas culture and personality is not unique to UT. UT is just the worst manifestation of it. But the "everything is bigger in Texas" culture is present with A&M folks as well. Naturally. So I don't believe they are lily white in this whole ordeal. They were present in these negotiations. They don't like them. They are most likely alone in that. And all of this leaking out the way it did was their play to damage UT.

It is what it is. For the third time in this thread, for our A&M friends, I do not blame A&M. And I am concerned what this means going forward for what I believe has been the most "together" league in America over the years. A lot of us hate one another, yes, but when it comes to facing outside forces, we generally band together.

Spot on. The public side of A&M has to be against this for obvious reasons but behind the scenes there's no way they were blindsided. They might not have liked it but they certainly knew about it.

 

[CraigD]

i’m intrigued by the competition will bring. It will be an opportunity to prove hypothetical points we’ve always tried to make here. We’ve always said things like “Well if Oklahoma was in the SEC they would have three or four losses every year”, or “if Oregon was in the SEC…” or if <you name the team> was in the SEC…”

This could be a chance to prove ourselves right or wrong.

 

[Blindside17]

Sure seems like this is picking up speed. I thought it was just chatter at first but its startg to look like it very way may happen. If the Sooners come in though how soon is it the Cowboys will follow and if that happens we would need one more to be even. This could get very interesting.

 

[TideEngineer08]

A&M has some of this attitude, but not near what UT does. A&M has been put down for so long that they have some sense of humility and decency. I am afraid that our commish is so full of himself that he thinks he can control UT and make this his "legacy."

Be careful what you wish for...

Like I said it is inevitable. It's in their DNA. There are parts of it I like. But... parts I don't as well.

Most of us here are just onlookers to this. So we'll just have to see how it plays out. It truly could be the best move of all and Sankey is hailed as a genius. And well, it could blow up royally.

 

[BamaMoon]

Pate is rarely the tin foil type but he goes there with this.

That was interesting on many levels. He paints a really good picture of what's likely happening/going to happen.

The comparison to the dam breaking in that Pennsylvania town in the late 1800 is apropos.

Again, I'll say from a fan's perspective this is exciting...but I acknowledge this is probably going to destroy college football as we know it.

 

[Padreruf]

Sure seems like this is picking up speed. I thought it was just chatter at first but its startg to look like it very way may happen. If the Sooners come in though how soon is it the Cowboys will follow and if that happens we would need one more to be even. This could get very interesting.

That's an Oklahoma question...and a big one. Will the state legislature/governor allow UO to leave without OSU? I'm not sure that will happen...Boone Pickens' money looms large at OSU.

 

[TideEngineer08]

On a serious note. It might force the SEC-ACC official NY6 matchup instead of having them an At large in a game we know is either going to be the SEC or B1G

There may not even be an NY6 at the end of all this. This and the playoff proposal are just the tip of a very large iceberg, IMO.

I'm afraid what we are really watching play out is the conversion of big time CFB into the NFL's minor league.

 

[TideEngineer08]

That's an Oklahoma question...and a big one. Will the state legislature/governor allow UO to leave without OSU? I'm not sure that will happen...Boone Pickens' money looms large at OSU.

The way I read this is that it is so far down the road that these issues have already been ironed out. They've already dotted those i's and crossed those t's.

Perhaps the political will to force these 2 to stick together is no longer present as it was 10 years ago. (I'm of the opinion the Covid pandemic fallout has a lot to do with a lot of this being more palatable that it was in the past).

Perhaps a landing spot has already been procured for the Cowboys, a la, the Pac 12.

 

[Padreruf]

There may not even be an NY6 at the end of all this. This and the playoff proposal are just the tip of a very large iceberg, IMO.

I'm afraid what we are really watching play out is the conversion of big time CFB into the NFL's minor league.

You may be correct...I am concerned about what happens to the "lower teams" that have little or no chance of succeeding. The SEC is not just about the UA's, LSU's and UGA's...it is also about the VU's, MSU's, OM's, UM,s USCeast's, etc., that will win occasionally but not regularly. If they feel they have no chance, then the system falls apart. Look at UTenn -- if they do not win and win soon, they will lose all hope of a strong program that can compete on the top level.

 

[BamaMoon]

So...if this happens (as it appears to be) when do they start participating???

Obviously can't be this year with schedules already made. Didn't I see something about 2025? But that would seem way too long to wait.

 

[DanoCanuck]

Sure seems like this is picking up speed. I thought it was just chatter at first but its startg to look like it very way may happen. If the Sooners come in though how soon is it the Cowboys will follow and if that happens we would need one more to be even. This could get very interesting.

With all the craziness I could easily see a 24 team super conference with 4 divisions. Certainly not out of the question. The SEC would basically become the vast majority of the college football world. Don't rule it out or think 16 is the final number. I don't think it is. The money points directly to 2-3 super conferences controlling everything and the NCAA shuttering it's doors.

 

[Padreruf]

So...if this happens (as it appears to be) when do they start participating???

Obviously can't be this year with schedules already made. Didn't I see something about 2025? But that would seem way too long to wait.

They would have to "buy" their way out of their Big 12 contracts...then they would leave by next summer.

 

[TideEngineer08]

So...if this happens (as it appears to be) when do they start participating???

Obviously can't be this year with schedules already made. Didn't I see something about 2025? But that would seem way too long to wait.

That's a great question. 2025 is when the Big 12 tv deals ends. They also signed a grant of rights contract, which stipulates that they forfeit any funds if they bail on the deal before 2025.

So that deal is going to have to be renegotiated, which I think is likely, or this can't take place until 2025. The reason I think the renegotiation is likely, is because there is no way OU/Texas wants to continue playing in the Big 12 after all this news has broken, and also no way the remaining Big 12 members want them to stay. They'll renegotiate, and OU/UT will throw some money at the rest of the Big 12, and they will part ways. I'd guess they'll start SEC competition in 2023. Maybe 2022.

 

[Padreruf]

That's a great question. 2025 is when the Big 12 tv deals ends. They also signed a grant of rights contract, which stipulates that they forfeit any funds if they bail on the deal before 2025.

So that deal is going to have to be renegotiated, which I think is likely, or this can't take place until 2025. The reason I think the renegotiation is likely, is because there is no way OU/Texas wants to continue playing in the Big 12 after all this news has broken, and also no way the remaining Big 12 members want them to stay. They'll renegotiate, and OU/UT will throw some money at the rest of the Big 12, and they will part ways. I'd guess they'll start SEC competition in 2023. Maybe 2022.

I cannot see 2023 --- that's like a couple who have signed divorce papers living together for 2 more years. But, I've been wrong before...the demise of the NCAA is the kicker in all of this. I was expecting the top 16 CFB programs to form their own conference and dominate the tv market, etc. Wrong again....