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My honest feelings are that it would probably kill Oklahoma and Texas’s football programs. Very rarely does a team come from a weak conference to a strong one and succeed. Arkansas maybe the best expansion team out of any conference. I remember when folks thought Miami and VT would be juggernauts in the ACC. So the only winners out of this is LSU, aTm, and the Mississippi’s. Because this undoubtedly will put Alabama and Auburn in the Eastern division.

But however I think baseball and softball might have the most ridiculous conference in any sport. Basketball might get a small boost but who knows.
 
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If we end up talking a super-conference breakaway, you likely still need four conferences.

I'm fine with the Big-12 dying. I have been all along. I actually hoped that the Pac-16 thing happened, with the SEC sniping Texas A&M. Here's the thing.

If Texas and Oklahoma have to move, they know that the SEC is the best geographic fit. They go to the Pac-12 and they're split up, and playing on west coast times. A lot of regional fans can just watch the SEC if they want football. They go to the Big 10, and now you have Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Texas all beating each other up? Meanwhile you have another geographical break. Are regional fans really going to spent their time watching Ohio State and Michigan play after years of watching Texas A&M and Arkansas?

Remember, Nebraska did not adjust well at all to joining the Big 10. Oklahoma could meet a similar fate. Then you have the ACC. Right now Clemson is clubbing baby seals. If Clemson, FSU, Notre Dame, Texas and Oklahoma have to play each other regularly? Welcome to a more SEC-like schedule, fine by me. Some regional issues there to though, they're traveling through SEC states to play ACC teams.

Basically, I'm not concerned at all by the idea of Texas and Oklahoma joining a conference not named the SEC. The SEC is still in a position of power, and there will be ripples. The SEC sat out early expansion activity last round and still arguably got the best additions. If the Big 12 breaks up, there will be a winner of that, but it will force other moves. The SEC will still be in a good position.

If you want to consider negative implications, look at the Longhorn Network. It epitomizes the arrogance of Texas but also that everything they touch doesn't turn to gold. Look at the damage Texas is doing to the Big 12 at this very moment. I don't want any of that, the SEC will be fine sitting this round out.
I think everyone has concluded for a while that the Big XII or ACC will die and force a super conference. If we really want to predict how it goes based on this possibility then

SEC

Texas
Oklahoma

PAC 16

Texas Tech
Kansas St
TCU
Baylor

B1G

Kansas
iowa St

ACC

West Virginia
Cincinnati

I think it would have been better if it was the ACC imploded personally.
 
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I think everyone has concluded for a while that the Big XII or ACC will die and force a super conference. If we really want to predict how it goes based on this possibility then

SEC

Texas
Oklahoma

PAC 16

Texas Tech
Kansas St
TCU
Baylor

B1G

Kansas
iowa St

ACC

West Virginia
Cincinnati

I think it would have been better if it was the ACC imploded personally.
You are probably correct...Baylor people are concerned that the California public universities in the Pac 12 would not want BU, a smaller, religiously affiliated university. A lot of this -- if realignment is coming -- will depend upon what Notre Dame does.
 

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You are probably correct...Baylor people are concerned that the California public universities in the Pac 12 would not want BU, a smaller, religiously affiliated university. A lot of this -- if realignment is coming -- will depend upon what Notre Dame does.
But at the end of the day…. Begers can’t be choosers. Baylor would probably have to drop down to FCS if the PAC 12 or ACC doesn’t send an invite.

As for ND… if the ACC didn’t force a hard commitment last year then it’s highly unlikely that they will ever join a conference.
 
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But at the end of the day…. Begers can’t be choosers. Baylor would probably have to drop down to FCS if the PAC 12 or ACC doesn’t send an invite.
That's what I was thinking...or join the AAC...the kicker in all this is that BU has significant power in the state legislature...and state legislatures can and do play significant roles in this. I still think it is a non-starter...per A&M and a couple others' refusals.
 

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A few things here:

1) Some of y'all need to understand that this whole "this team will never vote to include Texas" are the same folks who think pro wrassling is real (e.g. you're a mark).

"Missouri and Texas A/M are still mad about blah blah a decade ago." Yeah, and didn't Mizzou lose a truckload of enrollment during that whole 2015 protest yadda yadda?

Mizzou: "We'll never vote for Texas."
UTerus: "Here's X million guaranteed for the next 20 years."
Mizzou: "WELCOME TO THE SEC!!!"

If you don't think money is driving the train, I mean, have you not been paying attention for the last 150 years? That's where Texas is a real wild card. Now, I'll admit to being dumb about this: how in the world did they become this whole Big Money University? It sure as hell isn't because they win national football championships.

2) No, Arkansas did not leave the SWC because of Texas, they left because of money.


Now what I'm saying is not totally "foolproof," the issue there for Arkansas was the fact they knew any issue that came up in the SWC that they were outvoted because they were the sole team not in the state of Texas. And for those of you on the outside, the politics of the state legislature and football in Texas is probably wound tighter than anywhere else in the USA.

Arkansas got a million bucks immediately upon joining the SEC, which was a lot of money back in 1990. And they knew with the upcoming SECCG and bowl expansions that their cut was going to be even more, so it was completely a financial decision. And for those who don't remember, Texas AND the Aggies were both in the slot to bolt the SWC, but the state politicians jumped in there with both feet and put the kibosh on it. One San Angelo representative actually put it into motion - good luck enforcing this - that any team that left the SWC would be required to give half their money to the remaining schools that they got from TV deals etc.

Again, don't think like a pro wrestling fanatic who actually believes the nonsense. These folks aren't REALLY the enemies they've got some of you thinking they are. But money changes everything. That's where Texas is a huge problem - because they can produce the revenue for other folks that make them re-think old grudges.

I'm not in tune so I don't know, but it would seem to me that the scrambling of some legislators who graduated from schools like say TCU or Baylor or Tech is the biggest way to stop this. Do those schools have that level of clout? In 1990, a Baylor grad was in the governor's chair. Now it's a UT alum.

3) Texas A/M's issue is legitimate, but the SEC won't care if the decimal point is in the right place.

This isn't much different than Michigan not wanting Sparty to join the Big Ten back in the early 50s.
 

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A few things here:

1) Some of y'all need to understand that this whole "this team will never vote to include Texas" are the same folks who think pro wrassling is real (e.g. you're a mark).

"Missouri and Texas A/M are still mad about blah blah a decade ago." Yeah, and didn't Mizzou lose a truckload of enrollment during that whole 2015 protest yadda yadda?

Mizzou: "We'll never vote for Texas."
UTerus: "Here's X million guaranteed for the next 20 years."
Mizzou: "WELCOME TO THE SEC!!!"

If you don't think money is driving the train, I mean, have you not been paying attention for the last 150 years? That's where Texas is a real wild card. Now, I'll admit to being dumb about this: how in the world did they become this whole Big Money University? It sure as hell isn't because they win national football championships.

2) No, Arkansas did not leave the SWC because of Texas, they left because of money.

Now what I'm saying is not totally "foolproof," the issue there for Arkansas was the fact they knew any issue that came up in the SWC that they were outvoted because they were the sole team not in the state of Texas. And for those of you on the outside, the politics of the state legislature and football in Texas is probably wound tighter than anywhere else in the USA.

Arkansas got a million bucks immediately upon joining the SEC, which was a lot of money back in 1990. And they knew with the upcoming SECCG and bowl expansions that their cut was going to be even more, so it was completely a financial decision. And for those who don't remember, Texas AND the Aggies were both in the slot to bolt the SWC, but the state politicians jumped in there with both feet and put the kibosh on it. One San Angelo representative actually put it into motion - good luck enforcing this - that any team that left the SWC would be required to give half their money to the remaining schools that they got from TV deals etc.

Again, don't think like a pro wrestling fanatic who actually believes the nonsense. These folks aren't REALLY the enemies they've got some of you thinking they are. But money changes everything. That's where Texas is a huge problem - because they can produce the revenue for other folks that make them re-think old grudges.

I'm not in tune so I don't know, but it would seem to me that the scrambling of some legislators who graduated from schools like say TCU or Baylor or Tech is the biggest way to stop this. Do those schools have that level of clout? In 1990, a Baylor grad was in the governor's chair. Now it's a UT alum.

3) Texas A/M's issue is legitimate, but the SEC won't care if the decimal point is in the right place.

This isn't much different than Michigan not wanting Sparty to join the Big Ten back in the early 50s.
Well said...although I'm not sure the "extra money" UT and OU would bring would increase each team's share...and here's why. There are only so many games a team can play, and only so many TV sets in those markets. Since the SEC already dominates those markets the TV money increase would not be that great...and it would have to be split to another 2 teams. The gargantuan deal that the SEC has coming is the reason these teams want in...they do not want to give us money, but to get a share of our pie.

Legislature comments are right on target...plays a much larger role that we would believe. At least I'm not bored anymore...
 

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Bring in UTw and OU so you level the playing field and create consistent rules for the NIL era is a reason to consider admitting them. Let the Big 10 and ACC add who they want to after those two because they won't be threatening the supremacy of the SEC or Bama, imo.

If you expand CFP to 12 or 16 teams the SEC Xship is an unnecessary game. This allows a 16 team conference to move to pods something like...

OU, UM, Ark, TX
A&M, LSU, MSU, OM
Bama, Barn, Vandy, UK
UT, SC, UGA, FL

9 conference schedule let's you play everyone in your pod plus half the teams in the other pod.
 

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That's what I was thinking...or join the AAC...the kicker in all this is that BU has significant power in the state legislature...and state legislatures can and do play significant roles in this.
If this happens then it’s going to be a 3 conference fight for Kansas in the immediate aftermath of Texas and Oklahoma leaving. After that Texas Tech and West Virginia are the more attractive names out of the mess of mediocrity. So really who knows? I think the B1G is going to make a package for ISU and Kansas.

The two names I know the PAC 12 won’t take are Boise and BYU. Boise because of their lack of a profitable market and brand. BYU for religious reasons. But those religious reasons are far more than it being just a religious school. Baylor is just the odd team sitting there in the dust.



I still think it is a non-starter...per A&M and a couple others' refusals.
Well the threshold is 11. We are really assuming that Arkansas and Missouri votes no, but we only really know about aTm. But even then Texas and Oklahoma’s goal is to woo Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. More Florida and Alabama. Because if you get them then you are going to get 11 teams. Alabama and Florida care a lot about the potential money, and probably are not going to be against it. I’m sure there are going to be some stipulations if it happens.

I’m still no sure if this happens but I’m starting to come around to this being more than your typical Texas story. Because things are coming out that suggest Texas is really ready to make that jump. If there is a non renewal of the TV contracts then it’s happening. But again this could be a tactic to get the little dwarfs in line to sign whatever deal Texas and Oklahoma are pushing for.
 
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Well said...although I'm not sure the "extra money" UT and OU would bring would increase each team's share...and here's why. There are only so many games a team can play, and only so many TV sets in those markets. Since the SEC already dominates those markets the TV money increase would not be that great...and it would have to be split to another 2 teams. The gargantuan deal that the SEC has coming is the reason these teams want in...they do not want to give us money, but to get a share of our pie.

Legislature comments are right on target...plays a much larger role that we would believe. At least I'm not bored anymore...
That's kind of the thing.

My problem is the simple fact that Texas brings so much attitude and baggage, walks into the room and wants to push everyone around. To me, you just don't do business with that stuff. And I don't believe - of course I'm not millionaire - but it has never seemed sound business TO ME to do business based on the fear of "if we don't grab Texas, the Big Ten or Pac 12 will."

Pac 12? Who the hell cares?

Big 10? Okay, a bit of a bigger problem, but whatever.

I've just never thought co-opting an egomaniac with an inflated opinion of self was ever a sound business strategy. Co-opting a SMART individual who knows how to play the game? That's something else.
 

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First off, you don't seem to understand how much I like this stuff. You're begging me to dig into stuff I've written articles about. I blew up another thread because I got so sidetracked by my knowledge of the financial side of things I kind of forgot to stick to the pertinent parts.

You've been pretty aggressive here, but I'll just chalk that up to excitement.

I'm not going to link a bunch of stuff because I don't have time for that right now and I can go off the top of my head anyway. I'm just using North Carolina as a good example but I could even use Kansas, they're just more like Oklahoma in the sense that they're a small state.

I also already alluded to some financial stuff in a previous post, but I guess it was just TRDL.

Let's revisit the main point though. One reason not to add Texas and Oklahoma is because the SEC already inked the big deal with ESPN. This is important because any money to come from adding Texas and Oklahoma is just that, money to be gained at some point in the future. It was the same with Missouri and A&M, it wasn't until the SEC Network deal that adding them actually added money. In fact they had to renegotiate just to keep from lowering the payouts to teams in the SEC.

So now the SEC is locked into long-term deals. There's no big TV money to be gained. The only exception could be if there was something to do with rolling the Longhorn Network into the SEC Network. There could be some leverage there with ESPN but that's about it. The huge deal the SEC just inked does mean that the SEC is paying out tens of millions more than some other conferences. I've outlined that elsewhere, and it might be very well why OU is sniffing around. But, as I said those deals are signed already.

That aside, let's get on with the NC to OU comparison. One of the big drivers now for revenue are the conference networks. That's why I was big on adding Missouri and Texas A&M. You really reached a lot more households with that deal. The trick here is you have a higher rate on the packages for state that has a team in the conference. So you add A&M, you get more money per Texas subscriber. You don't double the price in Alabama though. So you're not getting double by adding Texas. All you're really doing is getting the state of Oklahoma and Oklahoma isn't very big.

North Carolina is over twice the population of Oklahoma. So, North Carolina would mean double the SEC Network revenue basically. Not only that, but you have more sets of eyes to tune into sports events. Charlotte is double the market that Oklahoma City is. So if we're talking major markets Oklahoma loses out as well.

Now, you might counter with athletic department revenue, of which I am well aware. The trick is that's really only indicative of the health of the athletic department. The conferences don't actually get to keep that money. In fact, in many cases (notably Texas) it's heavily influenced by boosters donating money. They will not, I assure you, be donating money to the SEC or other schools so that amount doesn't mean much. Football is a big earner, but they get to keep their ticket sales, and all that revenue you are citing is their revenue.

Now, you might say but Oklahoma and Texas will have highly rated football games! Sure, but as I said with no TV deals to negotiate, where's the money? Not only that, but there's already 14 teams. Texas and Oklahoma will replace other games that would otherwise take place. So instead of Alabama vs Florida we might get Alabama vs. Oklahoma. Both big games, but you have to understand it in terms of the net gain.

The thing is, basketball drives a lot of revenue to and basketball is huge in North Carolina. So, North Carolina vs Kentucky would be a huge draw in the same way Alabama vs. Oklahoma would be. Sure, the ratings would be better for the football game but you have to view it in relative terms.

The SEC already has 6 of the top 15 football powers of all time. Even if you imagine a four conference breakaway , the SEC already has all the football powers they need! In this scenario we're saying they have 8 of the top 16! Why? What would that serve? Furthermore when Alabama plays Oklahoma someone still has to lose. When Texas plays LSU someone still has to lose. There will be a net reduction in winning percentage if those two teams join. Something has to give and it would damage some football brands.

This is where North Carolina would shine as an addition. Not only are they a bigger state with a bigger major marker than Oklahoma, but they have a brand (and this is backed by merchandise sales) that rivals Oklahoma! This is without the redundancy that Oklahoma provides. If Oklahoma joins the SEC, someone will move down a notch in football. If it's Oklahoma they lose out, if it's someone else they lose out. But something has to give. With North Carolina we're seeing the SEC take a step to become a basketball power as well, and improving that brand.

I personally don't think the SEC needs to expand at all. However, if they do expand it should be something that clearly makes things better for existing teams. I haven't seen anything to indicate Oklahoma and Texas would do that. I reiterate though, I said Texas A&M and Missouri would be good additions and the SEC's per team payout has gone up tens of millions per team since then. Oklahoma and Texas are just adding football brands to add football brands...
He may not have known, but I knew it was coming. Keep the good reading material flowing @KrAzY3.
 

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I think everyone has concluded for a while that the Big XII or ACC will die and force a super conference. If we really want to predict how it goes based on this possibility then

SEC

Texas
Oklahoma

PAC 16

Texas Tech
Kansas St
TCU
Baylor

B1G

Kansas
iowa St

ACC

West Virginia
Cincinnati

I think it would have been better if it was the ACC imploded personally.
I mentioned politics and in some ways selma is alluding to this as well. The idea that money might be changing hands behind the scenes, people might be striking deals with their buddies and so on could be what's moving this and that's disconcerting because you don't generally have to bribe people into doing the right thing. I don't like the idea that drinking or golf buddies could be what's driving this. That aside, I just have to look at this like things are going to play out like they should.

Personally, I think a Big 12 breakup means the core of what's left goes to the AAC to try to build a pretend Power 5 conference. A lot of those guys just aren't very attractive to a major conference, the ones that were already got sniped (Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and Colorado). What's left is what people didn't want, with the exception of Texas and Oklahoma of course.

Of those teams though, I'd honestly prefer Cincinnati (we both know they're not in the Big 12 but they are one of the most attractive up for grab programs) and Kansas. If I'm dreaming up an addition I might say a longshot like Illinois and Notre Dame, or a more realistic but still far off North Carolina and Virginia. However, if it's a position where the SEC has to make a move I think Kansas and Cincinnati does more long-term for the conference than doubling down in the same state and on football powers.

Kansas and Cincy are both contiguous with other states, so no real geographical issues. This move looks a lot more like the Maryland+Rutgers move that the Big 10 made, and I always considered that a cynical move. It actually seemed to work better for the Big 10 than the Nebraska move, so there is a lesson to be learned there. In this case the SEC is not just adding a decent chunk of population, they're adding a great basketball brand to, so I'd argue it could be a better move.

I don't like the idea of the SEC making the first move here, unless it's a true kill shot. Adding the state of Oklahoma isn't a kill shot... it's adding a state with a population of less than 4 million. It would be no more a kill shot than when the Big 10 added Nebraska. If the SEC really wants to dream big, they might as well try to figure out how to land Notre Dame, or Southern Cal, not try to further merge with the Big 12. They don't need to double down on football powers where they already have a strong footprint.
 
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First off, you don't seem to understand how much I like this stuff. You're begging me to dig into stuff I've written articles about. I blew up another thread because I got so sidetracked by my knowledge of the financial side of things I kind of forgot to stick to the pertinent parts.

You've been pretty aggressive here, but I'll just chalk that up to excitement.

I'm not going to link a bunch of stuff because I don't have time for that right now and I can go off the top of my head anyway. I'm just using North Carolina as a good example but I could even use Kansas, they're just more like Oklahoma in the sense that they're a small state.

I also already alluded to some financial stuff in a previous post, but I guess it was just TRDL.

Let's revisit the main point though. One reason not to add Texas and Oklahoma is because the SEC already inked the big deal with ESPN. This is important because any money to come from adding Texas and Oklahoma is just that, money to be gained at some point in the future. It was the same with Missouri and A&M, it wasn't until the SEC Network deal that adding them actually added money. In fact they had to renegotiate just to keep from lowering the payouts to teams in the SEC.

So now the SEC is locked into long-term deals. There's no big TV money to be gained. The only exception could be if there was something to do with rolling the Longhorn Network into the SEC Network. There could be some leverage there with ESPN but that's about it. The huge deal the SEC just inked does mean that the SEC is paying out tens of millions more than some other conferences. I've outlined that elsewhere, and it might be very well why OU is sniffing around. But, as I said those deals are signed already.

That aside, let's get on with the NC to OU comparison. One of the big drivers now for revenue are the conference networks. That's why I was big on adding Missouri and Texas A&M. You really reached a lot more households with that deal. The trick here is you have a higher rate on the packages for state that has a team in the conference. So you add A&M, you get more money per Texas subscriber. You don't double the price in Alabama though. So you're not getting double by adding Texas. All you're really doing is getting the state of Oklahoma and Oklahoma isn't very big.

North Carolina is over twice the population of Oklahoma. So, North Carolina would mean double the SEC Network revenue basically. Not only that, but you have more sets of eyes to tune into sports events. Charlotte is double the market that Oklahoma City is. So if we're talking major markets Oklahoma loses out as well.

Now, you might counter with athletic department revenue, of which I am well aware. The trick is that's really only indicative of the health of the athletic department. The conferences don't actually get to keep that money. In fact, in many cases (notably Texas) it's heavily influenced by boosters donating money. They will not, I assure you, be donating money to the SEC or other schools so that amount doesn't mean much. Football is a big earner, but they get to keep their ticket sales, and all that revenue you are citing is their revenue.

Now, you might say but Oklahoma and Texas will have highly rated football games! Sure, but as I said with no TV deals to negotiate, where's the money? Not only that, but there's already 14 teams. Texas and Oklahoma will replace other games that would otherwise take place. So instead of Alabama vs Florida we might get Alabama vs. Oklahoma. Both big games, but you have to understand it in terms of the net gain.

The thing is, basketball drives a lot of revenue to and basketball is huge in North Carolina. So, North Carolina vs Kentucky would be a huge draw in the same way Alabama vs. Oklahoma would be. Sure, the ratings would be better for the football game but you have to view it in relative terms.

The SEC already has 6 of the top 15 football powers of all time. Even if you imagine a four conference breakaway , the SEC already has all the football powers they need! In this scenario we're saying they have 8 of the top 16! Why? What would that serve? Furthermore when Alabama plays Oklahoma someone still has to lose. When Texas plays LSU someone still has to lose. There will be a net reduction in winning percentage if those two teams join. Something has to give and it would damage some football brands.

This is where North Carolina would shine as an addition. Not only are they a bigger state with a bigger major marker than Oklahoma, but they have a brand (and this is backed by merchandise sales) that rivals Oklahoma! This is without the redundancy that Oklahoma provides. If Oklahoma joins the SEC, someone will move down a notch in football. If it's Oklahoma they lose out, if it's someone else they lose out. But something has to give. With North Carolina we're seeing the SEC take a step to become a basketball power as well, and improving that brand.

I personally don't think the SEC needs to expand at all. However, if they do expand it should be something that clearly makes things better for existing teams. I haven't seen anything to indicate Oklahoma and Texas would do that. I reiterate though, I said Texas A&M and Missouri would be good additions and the SEC's per team payout has gone up tens of millions per team since then. Oklahoma and Texas are just adding football brands to add football brands...
You've nailed it again...UNC and UVA would make more sense from a financial improvement perspective. And their all around sports programs in football, BB and Baseball are solid and improving if not top rated.
 
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My problem is the simple fact that Texas brings so much attitude and baggage, walks into the room and wants to push everyone around. To me, you just don't do business with that stuff…
Agreed. In my company we adopted what we call “Rule J”: If you’re a jackass, no matter how good your product or connections, or how large the revenue opportunity, we won’t work with you.

Texas would be a major Rule J violation…
 

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Bring in UTw and OU so you level the playing field and create consistent rules for the NIL era is a reason to consider admitting them. Let the Big 10 and ACC add who they want to after those two because they won't be threatening the supremacy of the SEC or Bama, imo.

If you expand CFP to 12 or 16 teams the SEC Xship is an unnecessary game. This allows a 16 team conference to move to pods something like...

OU, UM, Ark, TX
A&M, LSU, MSU, OM
Bama, Barn, Vandy, UK
UT, SC, UGA, FL

9 conference schedule let's you play everyone in your pod plus half the teams in the other pod.
I had forgotten about the NIL...that does add another factor in, albeit unknown in many ways. Your "pod" proposal is interesting and I am assuming you meant "pods" at the end. I do think with Bama's more recent domination that the old, traditional "rivalries" are about dead -- especially UT. With the Barn in transition they may not be relevant for 3-4 years, i.e., probably "post-Saban" -- total conjecture on my part.
This would be "the shot heard round the world" if it happened...and I'm still not convinced it is the best for the SEC. We will see...
 
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Oklahoma hasn't been able to win a playoff game when they DIDN'T have a decent schedule to face. We're talking Mount Everest here with them actually having to play 2 good teams in a row.
 
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You are probably correct...Baylor people are concerned that the California public universities in the Pac 12 would not want BU, a smaller, religiously affiliated university. A lot of this -- if realignment is coming -- will depend upon what Notre Dame does.
Is TCU much more attractive than Baylor ?

it looks like Baylor has a bigger enrollment. So why would the Pac12 take TCU and not Baylor based on religious views ?
 

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You don't know that...and i don't appreciate your smart aleck retort. This board is known for civility...Grow up.
As to the subject, nothing has been confirmed other than a rumor. Even contacts in Texas say it is nothing...at best UT trying to shake more money out of the Big 12 or ESPN.
If you don’t appreciate my responses, then don’t read them. You’ve made multiple posts that state your point of view as facts when they are nothing more than your opinion. If you look back at all of my responses on this topic I’m up front about the fact that I don’t know the reason this could happen, I’m simply throwing out some reasons as to why all parties involved could be considering a move such as this. But since you already “know” far an absolute fact that the financials make no sense and that there are no strategic reasons for this to be considered then please enlighten the rest of us. Especially since you appear to be privy to the exact same information as Sankey, UT, and OU are working off of. I think your holding on a little to tight there my man.
 
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