Should John Parker Wilson be allocated series during the season? (MERGED)

[bayoutider]

as fragile as Brodie Croyle is, JPW (or some other QB)better get plenty of reps in every game...I hope and pray Brodie can go an entire year without injury, if he does, Bama will shine, BUT his track record is such that he doesn't play a full year without injury...so somebody else better be ready...

2002 Brodie, as a freshman, played in 12 of Bama's 13 games. He started two of them against Arkansas and Georgia. He took 327 snaps and had over 1000 yards passing. I don't recall any injury that season.
HS Sr. year - knee
Redshirt year - no injury
Freshman year - no injury
Sohp. year - shoulder
Jr. year - knee
Sr. year - ?

 

[bamaslammer]

I don't think JPW has more arm strength than Brody, Brody has tramendous velocity on the short range stuff and can stretch the field from anywhere, but Brody hasn't always been as accurate as he needed to be, thats where JPW might wind up better down the road.

But we also have two other freshman coming in that may be in the mix. I expect both to need a year to get into the system, but this time next year I expect an interesting battle for the starting job, even if JPW gets some playing time.

Size and arm strength aren't huge factors in college, Jay Barker wasn't particularly gifted, but when the pressure was on, he played his best, and he was a winner. Thats what I'm looking for.

 

[jthomas666]

The only problem I foresee in arbitrarily putting in the back up every 3rd series is a possibility of upsetting momentum in a game. Sometimes it doesn't take much of a swing to upset the balance.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see him get plenty of playing time, but I'd also hate to see the flow of the game disrupted, if it's going smoothly, just so he can.

Back in the first year of the DuBose era, OC Bruce "I am too stupid to live" Arians had a policy of putting in the 2nd string QB every 4th series. That's a pretty good policy--so long as you implement it with a modicum of common sense.

Arians didn't.

Against LSU, they pinned us on our 1 foot line with a punt. It was the 4th series in the rotation, so out came the backup, despite the extremity of the situation. And this was at LSU, and they were hoping to win at home for the first time in like, 30 years. So it got a bit loud. There are some situations in which it's OK to put in the backup qb.

This wasn't one of them.

Not surprisingly, on the first snap, the QB dropped the ball and LSU recovered for a TD.

I'm not saying the rotation policy is bad--it's one thing to give the back up some experience in mop up duty, but it's altogether different to give him experience when the game is still in question. Just don't be stupid about it.

 

[ihatefulmer]

I don't think JPW has more arm strength than Brody,
But we also have two other freshman coming in that may be in the mix. I expect both to need a year to get into the system, but this time next year I expect an interesting battle for the starting job, even if JPW gets some playing time.

Size and arm strength aren't huge factors in college, Jay Barker wasn't particularly gifted, but when the pressure was on, he played his best, and he was a winner. Thats what I'm looking for.

Brody has tramendous velocity on the short range stuff and can stretch the field from anywhere, but Brody hasn't always been as accurate as he needed to be, thats where JPW might wind up better down the road.



Good post Slam. Although,IMO, Brodie throws the deep ball, the bomb, as well as anybody I ever seen. I mean the ball is usually catchable. Like the Ark. game his freshman year and Utah St. in 04 and how many did he have agasint OK. in 03 that the WR couldn't stay in bounds. 1 was in bounds and the ref blew it. He was wild, or streaky might be a better word ,at times in 03 and the WR's dropped a ton of balls. When he goes deep the ball is usually there. He's as accurate as anybody out there deep.

 

[bamapeppy]

The Alabama coaches have said Brodie has the strongest arm.

 

[rtr12]

2002 Brodie, as a freshman, played in 12 of Bama's 13 games. He started two of them against Arkansas and Georgia. He took 327 snaps and had over 1000 yards passing. I don't recall any injury that season.
HS Sr. year - knee
Redshirt year - no injury
Freshman year - no injury
Sohp. year - shoulder
Jr. year - knee
Sr. year - ?

Redshirt year - Brodie saw no game action and virtually no scrimmage action as he was not assigned to the scout team and received no reps in practice. Hard to get injured standing around watching.

Freshman Year- Other than the two starts, Brodie saw vey limited action. Again, the odds are in his favor of not getting hurt.

You show quite demonstatively in your post how Brodie has been injured, pretty severly, in the last 3 years that he has had any serious playing time. And even then, he was actually injured for the season in the very first game of his senior year of high school.

If this isn't an example of an injury proned player, then there has never been one. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[CoolBreeze]

OK, I'll chime in on this one..

One can fairly say that Brodie is injury prone. Yep, he's had some pretty serious injuries. His knees were bad hereditarily but they've been fixed. And from what I understand, his hereditarily less-than-perfect knees have been fixed and the operations to repair them have made them stronger than new (info from this site). The shoulder, well, Brodie was playing defense and saved a touchdown in the first game two seasons ago. He later got pounded and pounded and pounded. The kid was pretty beat up after that season. Injury prone, yea, that is a fair statement. Fragile? NO!

I am just a fan...no professional info here, just a fan. But let me tell you, as a fan, I can tell you that I feel very, very comfortable when Brodie is in the game. And I believe that most everyone else who is a big Crimson Tide fan is glad when he is in the game as well. He is a gamer. The kid can get it done...and in a big way! I listen to games over the internet so I don't know how Brodie looked when he was begging Coach Shula to let him back into the Georgia Game after being driven into the turf. But I believe it was a tell tale site of this kids makeup. And I for one will never make a public comment against that type of drive and dedication.

We can talk about armstrength and we can talk about durability all day long. But come gameday Saturday I want Brodie Croyle under center. All the speculation about the second string QB is just that, speculation. We know what Brodie is and, IN MY OPINION, it just don't get any better than that! Yes, I am with you guys. We need to get the other QBs some reps. But Brodie Croyle is our best chance next season. And you can quote me on that one!! RTR!!!

 

[bayoutider]

Redshirt year - Brodie saw no game action and virtually no scrimmage action as he was not assigned to the scout team and received no reps in practice. Hard to get injured standing around watching.

Freshman Year- Other than the two starts, Brodie saw vey limited action. Again, the odds are in his favor of not getting hurt.

You show quite demonstatively in your post how Brodie has been injured, pretty severly, in the last 3 years that he has had any serious playing time. And even then, he was actually injured for the season in the very first game of his senior year of high school.

If this isn't an example of an injury proned player, then there has never been one. Wouldn't you agree?

No, I don't have to agree.

He was taken out for the season in his senior year of high school by a punk who bragged he would do it. That was no freak accident.

As a soph. Brodie and Spencer both sustained shoulder injuries. Does that make them both injury prone? Does anyone who gets injured more than once in their career need to be tagged as injury prone? You would have a lot of linemen and running backs on that list.

Brodie's last injury was similar to Jason White's, a non contact injury and we know how his senior year turned out. Not saying it will but there is your example and something to weigh against. Jason White had both knees repaired and finished 12-1 his senior year. Not bad for an injury prone QB.

Both of Brodie's knees have been repaired and as stated by some who have had similar injuries, his knees should be fine if not stronger than before. His injury to his shoulder was not on his throwing arm and he played with a brace. It affected his handing off to the backs.

I'm perfectly willing to watch the season and not write off someone till he needs to be written off. I hope we have a backup better prepaired for the season and from what info I get I think we do. But if it gets down to the #3 QB again, heaven help us.

 

[rtr12]

No, I don't have to agree.

He was taken out for the season in his senior year of high school by a punk who bragged he would do it. That was no freak accident.

As a soph. Brodie and Spencer both sustained shoulder injuries. Does that make them both injury prone? Does anyone who gets injured more than once in their career need to be tagged as injury prone? You would have a lot of linemen and running backs on that list.

Brodie's last injury was similar to Jason White's, a non contact injury and we know how his senior year turned out. Not saying it will but there is your example and something to weigh against. Jason White had both knees repaired and finished 12-1 his senior year. Not bad for an injury prone QB.

Both of Brodie's knees have been repaired and as stated by some who have had similar injuries, his knees should be fine if not stronger than before. His injury to his shoulder was not on his throwing arm and he played with a brace. It affected his handing off to the backs.

I'm perfectly willing to watch the season and not write off someone till he needs to be written off. I hope we have a backup better prepaired for the season and from what info I get I think we do. But if it gets down to the #3 QB again, heaven help us.

I haven't written anyone off. I simply am of the opinion that a player who has suffered serious injuries 3 out of the last 3 seasons that he has been a starter could be considered injury proned. Injuries are injuries. Contact or non-contact. Intentional or unintentional. If anything, non-contact injuries would seem to bolster the case of labeling someone "injury proned". I think that the majority of knowledgable fans would agree with that assesment. That doesn't mean you have to agree. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It just seems that you feel a need to defend something that doesn't really need defending. The facts speak for themselves.

I do find it ironic that I spend around 30 days a year at Westbrook Christian School. I know the football coaches well. I know the principal, Mrs. Greer (former Bama player Brandon Greer's mother), very well. Yet, it takes a football fan from Louisiana to tell me that Brodie's injury his senior year of high school was intentional. I wonder why nobody at Westbrook has ever told me that story?

 

[bayoutider]

I haven't written anyone off. I simply am of the opinion that a player who has suffered serious injuries 3 out of the last 3 seasons that he has been a starter could be considered injury proned. Injuries are injuries. Contact or non-contact. Intentional or unintentional. If anything, non-contact injuries would seem to bolster the case of labeling someone "injury proned". I think that the majority of knowledgable fans would agree with that assesment. That doesn't mean you have to agree. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It just seems that you feel a need to defend something that doesn't really need defending. The facts speak for themselves.

I do find it ironic that I spend around 30 days a year at Westbrook Christian School. I know the football coaches well. I know the principal, Mrs. Greer (former Bama player Brandon Greer's mother), very well. Yet, it takes a football fan from Louisiana to tell me that Brodie's injury his senior year of high school was intentional. I wonder why nobody at Westbrook has ever told me that story?

I'm not from Louisiana. Not even in Louisiana. TIDE-HSV and TerryP can back up what I said.

 

[CapstoneTider]

One Word

Yes

 

[Probius]

I have heard a lot of people comment on the 2003 shoulder injury of Brodie's as some evidence that he is injury prone. Well Brodie hurt his non-throwing shoulder and went on to pass for over 2,000 yards anyway. Yes it was a bad season, but you can't put that all on Brodie. So there are just the two torn ACL's. I am no doctor but from what I have been told once an ACL is torn it is rebuilt as strong or even stronger than before and you don't tear an ACL twice. If that is the case then we have no reason to worry. Brodie should have a great season this year and lead Bama to a SEC West crown. Roll Tide Roll.

 

[TexasTideFan]

I guess alot of people could say Brodie is injury prone and I really wouldn't argue but I think he is really just unlucky. I mean who tears 2 ACL's in their career besides Brodie and Jason White.

He is bound to go one year without a major injury. However, last year should have been a wake-up call for this staff to give more reps to the #2 this year.

 

[Whammer Jammer]

That's a good point. A couple of things to make a mental note on.

Right now, John Parker is a better QB than Brodie was his freshman year. No, he doesn't have the "arm strength" Brodie does...but very few do. There are some areas of his game that he's already better than Brodie is today. For instance, if he's flushed out of the pocket he's a better passer on the run than Brodie.

The word "intangibles" has been used quite a bit. A lot of that can be attributed to receiving better coaching in high school than Brodie. The staff has spent A LOT of time coaching JPW in his time here.

He's still got some learning to do but that can be said for anyone no matter what level they are playing at. The staff believes "he's ready." I know *I'm ready* to see him in game situations. Based on his A-day performance against the 1's you can see the leadership he brings to the table.

You combine these things with other attributes and the chance we "lose momentum" is greatly dimished. Greatly.

Not sure I can agree with you as far as JPW better on some things today. JPW's Spring game means very little. On the field, Brodie has been incredible to say the least. JPW is a great back up today and let's leave it at that!