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Slow Day what if question (Edit: if we hadn't hired Dubose)

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I don't think it was just Dubose. If you look at his staffs during his 4 years they were loaded with "Alabama hanger ons" who somehow managed to get rehired under Dubose. IMO Coaches like Callaway, Cottrell, Williams, McCorvey, etc were easy to manipulate, they knew the pressure to sign big time recruits and in all probability took short cuts to boost recruiting ratings. If you mix these coaches with Logan Young you have a sure fire recipe for probation which is exactly what we cooked up. Dubose's preoccupation with his secretary and religion and lack of discipline fostered this kind of environment. Had we hired someone like Frank Beamer to replace CGS I do not think things would have turned out like they did.
 
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TIDEFAN17 said:
Wonder who Stallings wanted? We all know Bear wanted Stallings. Obviously wisdom knows wisdom.
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Actually that's an easier question to answer than you would think. The reason? Because Stallings wanted Stallings to stay! Gene Stallings left due to Hootie and Brother Oliver's back-stabbing! Hootie never allowed Stallings to just coach without looking over his shoulder. Hootie continually told Brother that he was next in line and even game him a time-table of '96. It wasn't until Stallings said he wasn't leaving that Brother finally did. Of couse, as things would turn out Hootie succeeded in running off our best coach since Coach Bryant by a mile! Stallings should still be in Tuscaloosa coaching and Bama should still be one of the elite teams in America and dominating or at least constitantly competing for the SEC Crown.
 
Wasn't Gene Stallings responsible for playing Antonio Langhum even tho he knew Langhum had already signed with an agent?

Alanbama27 said:
Actually that's an easier question to answer than you would think. The reason? Because Stallings wanted Stallings to stay! Gene Stallings left due to Hootie and Brother Oliver's back-stabbing! Hootie never allowed Stallings to just coach without looking over his shoulder. Hootie continually told Brother that he was next in line and even game him a time-table of '96. It wasn't until Stallings said he wasn't leaving that Brother finally did. Of couse, as things would turn out Hootie succeeded in running off our best coach since Coach Bryant by a mile! Stallings should still be in Tuscaloosa coaching and Bama should still be one of the elite teams in America and dominating or at least constitantly competing for the SEC Crown.
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I think both Young and CMD share the blame. Young for obviuos reasons, but CMD afforded the NCAA the opportunity to cast the deadly "lack of institutional control" charge into the fray. CMD allowed these things to happen, and as a direct result from his failure to properly handle his coaching staff, the players got out of hand as well.

As far as CGS's role in this, I think he had a little to do with it too. I have reaad enough to kknow that when the NCAA caming in looking for skeletons in Bama's closet, UA officials (CGS included) seemed to be uncooperative at best. Smug is a word I have heard to often describe the UA officials. Enough so that when the NCAA came back, they had a score to settle.
 
Noah.Dreams said:
Wasn't Gene Stallings responsible for playing Antonio Langhum even tho he knew Langhum had already signed with an agent?
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Yes he was. However, I believe Langhum lied through his teeth about just what transpired after the '92 Sugar Bowl. Never the less, Coach Stallings should have run it to ground and made sure Langhum was cleared by the NCAA. Unfortunately, he didn't do that. Despite that, the penalties handed down by the NCAA for what amounts to jay walking were ATROCIOUS! Which is why the original penalties were reduced upon appeal (if i'm not mistaken, the first and only time the NCAA has done that).
 
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Alanbama27 said:
Actually that's an easier question to answer than you would think. The reason? Because Stallings wanted Stallings to stay! Gene Stallings left due to Hootie and Brother Oliver's back-stabbing! Hootie never allowed Stallings to just coach without looking over his shoulder. Hootie continually told Brother that he was next in line and even game him a time-table of '96. It wasn't until Stallings said he wasn't leaving that Brother finally did. Of couse, as things would turn out Hootie succeeded in running off our best coach since Coach Bryant by a mile! Stallings should still be in Tuscaloosa coaching and Bama should still be one of the elite teams in America and dominating or at least constitantly competing for the SEC Crown.
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Hootie had absolutley nothing to do with Stallings leaving. They were very good friends. Sure, Hootie promised Brother the job when Stallings left, but he had nothing to do with Stallings leaving. Hootie wasn't even the AD when Stallings left.

Now if you want to sa Bob Bockrath ran Stallings off before he was ready to go, then you would be correct.
 
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Alanbama27 said:
Actually that's an easier question to answer than you would think. The reason? Because Stallings wanted Stallings to stay! Gene Stallings left due to Hootie and Brother Oliver's back-stabbing! Hootie never allowed Stallings to just coach without looking over his shoulder. Hootie continually told Brother that he was next in line and even game him a time-table of '96. It wasn't until Stallings said he wasn't leaving that Brother finally did. Of couse, as things would turn out Hootie succeeded in running off our best coach since Coach Bryant by a mile! Stallings should still be in Tuscaloosa coaching and Bama should still be one of the elite teams in America and dominating or at least constitantly competing for the SEC Crown.
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I think you got your AD's mixed up.....
Bob Bockrath was the AD at the time CGS left, not Hootie Ingram. Stallings was very close to Ingram. Hootie and President Sayers resigned shortly after the Antonio Langham fiasco. Enter President Sorenson who hired Bockrath.....the real reason Stallings left was because he wanted Mal to be AD and he had heard bad things about Bockrath and his former stops at other schools. There were rumors of "Brother" wanting CGS's job also. "Bebes" didn't like the new Prez. nor AD and the situation at hand....so he left.
 
BamaFanTraeInGeorgia said:
I have reaad enough to kknow that when the NCAA caming in looking for skeletons in Bama's closet, UA officials (CGS included) seemed to be uncooperative at best.
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Had the subsequent administration followed this pattern, we wouldn't have been "looking down the barrel" of the death penalty the last time. Even with all the crud that Phatso laid on us, our own administration's cooperation was used against us as well.
 
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You are exactly right. Stallings could have easily avoided a $100 million error if he had verified Langhum's eligibility. There is no excuse for that oversight.
Bama 13-0 said:
Yes he was. However, I believe Langhum lied through his teeth about just what transpired after the '92 Sugar Bowl. Never the less, Coach Stallings should have run it to ground and made sure Langhum was cleared by the NCAA. Unfortunately, he didn't do that. Despite that, the penalties handed down by the NCAA for what amounts to jay walking were ATROCIOUS! Which is why the original penalties were reduced upon appeal (if i'm not mistaken, the first and only time the NCAA has done that).
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cmmiller711 said:
I wouldn't be so sure. We did have shaun, and the rest of the team was pretty stacked too.
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I agree, that particular team, assuming we had hired a decent coach, would, IMO, still have beaten UF both times and would not have lost to La Tech in B'ham or to UT in Tuscaloosa. If we had hired, as has been mentioned Frank Beamer in 1997, we might still have had some left over problems from the Langham debacle, but none of the problems with Means and the recruiting violations incurred under Dubose. Had Bockrath not caved in to the facsimile campaign of hiring Dubose and gone with his first choice of Beamer IMO the last 10 years would have been what we had under CGS and probably at least one more MNC during that time.
 
Since Dubose seems to be the topic of this thread: I picked up a copy of Sporting News recently and, lo, there was a short feature on him. Seems he is getting along great as coach of intellectual Millsaps College in Jackson. Miss. He even pushed the football team to a conference title (whatever that conference is). He and wife seem to be enjoying themselves. He sez, once a coach you never lose the touch.:cool:
 
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