One line in te report stated that "getting hit by a parent is traumatic". Well hell yeah it's traumatic. How do you teach negative consequences without it being traumatic?
Study: Children Who Get Spanked Have Lower IQs
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Like teachers correcting papers with a RED pencil is traumatic. Huh? Remember - now they use purple.
I prefer a study that has been completed tested tried and proven by..............God.
That probably sounds foolish to most of you that are far more educated that I am but in my opinion that is what is wrong with our society and our schools today. If you are going to risk your childs future then you better know exactly what you are doing and I don't trust the crowd that gives us global warming, and a flat earth, excuse me for being more than just skeptical, I reject it outright without qualification.
The American home has been turned into a sanctum for secular humanism and too many times nobody knows their family role or responsibility.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
Never were more true words written than these.
I am a Christian, I accept the roles defined in the New Testament for my home.
Father/husband is responsible for his home and family. He has to answer for that home.
The wife is in subjection to the husband as the church is to Christ.
Children are taught to be obey their parents to respect and honor them.
Children are punished in an appropriate way that includes "the rod".
If you mess with God's plan you mess it up. You don't have to accept it but you are on your own for your own results.... go for it if you are smarter than the almighty.
That probably sounds foolish to most of you that are far more educated that I am but in my opinion that is what is wrong with our society and our schools today. If you are going to risk your childs future then you better know exactly what you are doing and I don't trust the crowd that gives us global warming, and a flat earth, excuse me for being more than just skeptical, I reject it outright without qualification.
The American home has been turned into a sanctum for secular humanism and too many times nobody knows their family role or responsibility.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
Never were more true words written than these.
I am a Christian, I accept the roles defined in the New Testament for my home.
Father/husband is responsible for his home and family. He has to answer for that home.
The wife is in subjection to the husband as the church is to Christ.
Children are taught to be obey their parents to respect and honor them.
Children are punished in an appropriate way that includes "the rod".
If you mess with God's plan you mess it up. You don't have to accept it but you are on your own for your own results.... go for it if you are smarter than the almighty.
Your post is written is such a way that it is unlikely to change anyone's mind. If you are trying to help people understand the Word of God, I would try a different tone. JMO...
The wife is in subjection to the husband as the church is to Christ.
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Be careful - women's lib and the ACLU will be on your case. Lol
BTW, I like your post and the way you said it.
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Be careful - women's lib and the ACLU will be on your case. Lol
BTW, I like your post and the way you said it.
I don't know if you have noticed but there is not alot of changing of minds going on here. Just look at the last global warming thread, you were asked for links and you provide them and the people asking for them dissappear. I think he was just passionate about what he had to say and I happen to agree with it.
I agree with the message, too - just not the delivery. If you want to make a difference in the lives of others, your message cannot get lost in the delivery...
I'm not arguing with you on that either. My point is most aren't going to change their minds no matter how you deliver the message, global warming thread given as example.
A lot of people read this board who never post. You never know when something that you say (or post) might make a difference...
NYBama, first off I apologize if my response in any way offended you or anyone else on the board.
I could have made a simple condescending remark about the study and offered nothing in response instead I attempted to offer comments that were somewhat provocative without being some longwinded response that would not be read in it's entireity.
Briefly, it has been my experience that religious discussions on discussion boards are like pushing the proverbial rope up a hill and accomplishes little. That is why my comments were received by you and no doubt others as direct and maybe uncompromising; I wanted to be clear and to the point.
It is my observation in general that traditional Christian beliefs are looked upon with disdain and discounted as unreliable and ineffective for modern culture. I do not agree with that view. This reasoning has resulted in the twisting, changing and modification of Bible teaching to the point that what most people refer to as a Christian home bears no resemblance to the Bible pattern.
The disciplining of children typically goes right along with such changes and "new" ideas.
Many homes are simply mindlessly constituted and have no order at all. The results are that children are pretty much left on their own until they cross some arbitrary line that has not been well defined by the parents are not easily distinguishable by the child.
It is the parents responsibility to make a child know what is appropriate behavior in every setting whether public or private. When the child does cross the line the consequences have to be signficant enough to change the bad behavior.
I am NOT saying that all children raised in Christian homes grow up well behaved. I am saying that God gives a model for me to follow. If I follow that model then I can have the assurance that as a parent I have provided my child with the setting God expects from me. The Bible says that if I train up a child in the way he should go, when he is older he will not depart from it. This doesn't mean my child will be a robot in life and will have not choice in what he does or doesn't do. It does mean that my child may not do what is right in their life but it won't be because they don't know what is right since they were taught to do right by their Christian parents.
If as a prent I choose to ignore God's plan then I am not giving my child the setting that God says my child deserves. This may result in a well behaved and well rounded child or it may not but either way I have chosen to replace God's model with something else and MY understanding is that I have no authority to do that. I will not be giving my child a pattern to follow that they can depend on and a heritage based upon God's word.
Hopefully my thoughts/beliefs are a little more clearer now.
It it certainly not my intent to offend anyone here.
I could have made a simple condescending remark about the study and offered nothing in response instead I attempted to offer comments that were somewhat provocative without being some longwinded response that would not be read in it's entireity.
Briefly, it has been my experience that religious discussions on discussion boards are like pushing the proverbial rope up a hill and accomplishes little. That is why my comments were received by you and no doubt others as direct and maybe uncompromising; I wanted to be clear and to the point.
It is my observation in general that traditional Christian beliefs are looked upon with disdain and discounted as unreliable and ineffective for modern culture. I do not agree with that view. This reasoning has resulted in the twisting, changing and modification of Bible teaching to the point that what most people refer to as a Christian home bears no resemblance to the Bible pattern.
The disciplining of children typically goes right along with such changes and "new" ideas.
Many homes are simply mindlessly constituted and have no order at all. The results are that children are pretty much left on their own until they cross some arbitrary line that has not been well defined by the parents are not easily distinguishable by the child.
It is the parents responsibility to make a child know what is appropriate behavior in every setting whether public or private. When the child does cross the line the consequences have to be signficant enough to change the bad behavior.
I am NOT saying that all children raised in Christian homes grow up well behaved. I am saying that God gives a model for me to follow. If I follow that model then I can have the assurance that as a parent I have provided my child with the setting God expects from me. The Bible says that if I train up a child in the way he should go, when he is older he will not depart from it. This doesn't mean my child will be a robot in life and will have not choice in what he does or doesn't do. It does mean that my child may not do what is right in their life but it won't be because they don't know what is right since they were taught to do right by their Christian parents.
If as a prent I choose to ignore God's plan then I am not giving my child the setting that God says my child deserves. This may result in a well behaved and well rounded child or it may not but either way I have chosen to replace God's model with something else and MY understanding is that I have no authority to do that. I will not be giving my child a pattern to follow that they can depend on and a heritage based upon God's word.
Hopefully my thoughts/beliefs are a little more clearer now.
It it certainly not my intent to offend anyone here.
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I friend of mine told a story that happened to him once. My friend is a preacher and he was having dinner with a family in their home. While he was waiting in the living room the children were running through the house like wild heathens. The children were climbing the curtains and all over him, maybe an exaggeration as preachers a prone to do sometimes, ; ) while he patiently waited.
Later during dinner the mother made the comment that her children were good kids and she didn't believe in spanking. My friend said she didn't need to tell him that it was pretty obvious the kids knew nothing about discipline or good behavior.
Folks I see this all the time, in my business, in my work, at the restaurants I go to, in the schools, it's everywhere. Kids are allowed to rule the roost and run the world.
Later during dinner the mother made the comment that her children were good kids and she didn't believe in spanking. My friend said she didn't need to tell him that it was pretty obvious the kids knew nothing about discipline or good behavior.
Folks I see this all the time, in my business, in my work, at the restaurants I go to, in the schools, it's everywhere. Kids are allowed to rule the roost and run the world.
I'm sure that it's already been said, but correlation is not causation.
I'm interested if the authors of the study controlled for economic class, religious belief, education, intelligence, and political leanings in the parents-five factors right off the top of my head that would correlate propensity to spank and/or child intelligence.
Hell, I could easily construct a study that shows a (VERY minimal) causal link between spanking and low child IQ simply by defining spanking as any time a child receives corporal punishment-plenty of kids every year who suffer brain damage as the result of being shaken as a baby.
Bad statistics make for bad science.
I'm interested if the authors of the study controlled for economic class, religious belief, education, intelligence, and political leanings in the parents-five factors right off the top of my head that would correlate propensity to spank and/or child intelligence.
Hell, I could easily construct a study that shows a (VERY minimal) causal link between spanking and low child IQ simply by defining spanking as any time a child receives corporal punishment-plenty of kids every year who suffer brain damage as the result of being shaken as a baby.
Bad statistics make for bad science.
Sooner, thanks for making that point.
It seems that if we do not accept what the research of the scientific community comes up with we are seen as just a bunch of backward ignorant hayseeds with no respect for new ideas.
Scientific research has predicted the coming ice age, along with many other predictions that lie on the trash heap today and are worthless.
It seems that if we do not accept what the research of the scientific community comes up with we are seen as just a bunch of backward ignorant hayseeds with no respect for new ideas.
Scientific research has predicted the coming ice age, along with many other predictions that lie on the trash heap today and are worthless.
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