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Personally, I think the First Amendment allows free speech for this judge, as well as for all the people who were questioning political actions after Floyd’s murder.
We can agree or disagree about specific quotes, but the First Amendment should allow people to speak freely without losing their jobs.
 
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Personally, I think the First Amendment allows free speech for this judge, as well as for all the people who were questioning political actions after Floyd’s murder.
We can agree or disagree about specific quotes, but the First Amendment should allow people to speak freely without losing their jobs.
As a free-speech absolutist, I agree. Nevertheless, I do hold people like judges to a higher standard than the average person, although stories like this make me wonder why. My point in posting this was less about what they are attempting to do to him and more about what a low-rent scumbag he is.
 
As a free-speech absolutist, I agree. Nevertheless, I do hold people like judges to a higher standard than the average person, although stories like this make me wonder why. My point in posting this was less about what they are attempting to do to him and more about what a low-rent scumbag he is.
If you are free-speech absolutist, then there isn't a different standard for different people. There is only the FREE standard.
 
I appreciate the passion you have for your personal and family ideology. More of it is needed sincerely.

Thank you.

But it is not a workable form of government. If you think for a moment, there is virtually nothing you enjoy or need that was developed with libertarian aspirations in mind. The law enforcement securing your family and property, the money in your account is actually the property of the federal government that they let you use. The roads you drive on, the medicine you take. None of this would exist in a full on libertarian society. The internet, none of it would exist.

Some Libertarians advocate anarchy (no government). That's not me or most Libertarians. I'm willing to pay for necessary government at the appropriate level, which means most of it will be at the state/local level. Still, all that should be quite limited, as almost everything I need will be gained via private sector interactions.

I am stunned by the bolded assertion above that I get to keep the money that the federal government allows me to keep. Am I reading this right? Do you really believe we all work for the government, and if the government wants most/all of it, that is an ok or even sane relationship between the individual and the state?

Argentina under its current leadership is/was attempting to pursue libertarian aims in government. How is that working out? Rampant inflation necessitating is giving them $40B to keep China from setting up shop there.

Argentina has made progress, but things take time. Whether that's enough to withstand a political opposition that promises the return to more intervention to buy popular support is TBD. Reform probably will not work long term; it will be overturned by the next party in power. Big Brother doesn't like it when you put restrictions on him. And too many people are easily persuaded by the "give me all your freedom and wealth and I'll take care of you" populism.

Your libertarian ideals are what make you keep getting back up after getting knocked down. But sooner or later in life we all need a helping hand and for alot of people the government is the only hand available. Probably because those out there chasing their libertarian way of life are not available to extend their hand to others in need.

To help one person, the government has to hurt another, since the government has no money of its own. It just transfers wealth by force. And it does so extremely inefficiently. The cost of bureaucracy is such that for the government to give Paul $1, it must take $1.50 from Peter. A most inefficient thief along with massive market distortion and unintended consequences.

One of those unintended consequences is to encourage people to be dependent. Tens of millions of people do this. So, I don’t agree with the notion that just because an able-bodied adult exists, I or anyone else is obligated to subsidize said existence. If my wife, who came to this country with nothing (not even the ability to speak English), can achieve the American dream and be a very high earner, what excuse does any other able-bodied adult have? I have little symphony for someone who chooses underachievement and contempt for a government that encourages it.

But, while not wanting to subsidize society’s slugs, I reject the notion that Libertarians don’t help others. Quite the opposite. My wife and I give tens of thousands of dollars toward charitable endeavors. We plan to do a great deal more when I am retired and Lan is semi-retired in the near future. (And the reason Lan will keep working is so she can retain her certifications so she can continue to do medical missions.) Sadly, if the government didn’t take hundreds of thousands of dollars from us in taxes, we’d have that money to put towards more charity. Instead of helping hundreds of people, we could help thousands. As it is, between the two of us, we are planning four (maybe five) international trips to do charity work next year. This will be the norm for us for the rest of our lives as long as we are physically able to travel.

And like us, every libertarian/small government/constitutionalist/etc. person I know is extremely charitable and more than willing to help people who want to help themselves. It’s the “I’m concerned about the other guy, so we need a government program” type that, in my experience, wouldn’t dare be charitable with their own money. Checking the “concern” box is as far as they go – just enough to virtue signal. Unfortunately, as I’ve also come to realize, there’s also a lot of racism in their unwillingness to help.
 
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Don't know what it is like for other majors, but for architecture, we had to re-apply to the architecture school after our 2nd year. I know a couple of people that got denied, despite having the grades.

One moved to New York and got a job as the traveling secretary with the Yankees but continued to tell people he was an architect.
 
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Some Libertarians advocate anarchy (no government). That's not me or most Libertarians. I'm willing to pay for necessary government at the appropriate level, which means most of it will be at the state/local level. Still, all that should be quite limited, as almost everything I need will be gained via private sector interactions.

I am stunned by the bolded assertion above that I get to keep the money that the federal government allows me to keep. Am I reading this right? Do you really believe we all work for the government, and if the government wants most/all of it, that is an ok or even sane relationship between the individual and the state?



Argentina has made progress, but things take time. Whether that's enough to withstand a political opposition that promises the return to more intervention to buy popular support is TBD. Reform probably will not work long term; it will be overturned by the next party in power. Big Brother doesn't like it when you put restrictions on him. And too many people are easily persuaded by the "give me all your freedom and wealth and I'll take care of you" populism.



To help one person, the government has to hurt another, since the government has no money of its own. It just transfers wealth by force. And it does so extremely inefficiently. The cost of bureaucracy is such that for the government to give Paul $1, it must take $1.50 from Peter. A most inefficient thief along with massive market distortion and unintended consequences.

One of those unintended consequences is to encourage people to be dependent. Tens of millions of people do this. So, I don’t agree with the notion that just because an able-bodied adult exists, I or anyone else is obligated to subsidize said existence. If my wife, who came to this country with nothing (not even the ability to speak English), can achieve the American dream and be a very high earner, what excuse does any other able-bodied adult have? I have little symphony for someone who chooses underachievement and contempt for a government that encourages it.

But, while not wanting to subsidize society’s slugs, I reject the notion that Libertarians don’t help others. Quite the opposite. My wife and I give tens of thousands of dollars toward charitable endeavors. We plan to do a great deal more when I am retired and Lan is semi-retired in the near future. (And the reason Lan will keep working is so she can retain her certifications so she can continue to do medical missions.) Sadly, if the government didn’t take hundreds of thousands of dollars from us in taxes, we’d have that money to put towards more charity. Instead of helping hundreds of people, we could help thousands. As it is, between the two of us, we are planning four (maybe five) international trips to do charity work next year. This will be the norm for us for the rest of our lives as long as we are physically able to travel.

And like us, every libertarian/small government/constitutionalist/etc. person I know is extremely charitable and more than willing to help people who want to help themselves. It’s the “I’m concerned about the other guy, so we need a government program” type that, in my experience, wouldn’t dare be charitable with their own money. Checking the “concern” box is as far as they go – just enough to virtue signal. Unfortunately, as I’ve also come to realize, there’s also a lot of racism in their unwillingness to help.
In a sense you are misunderstanding my assertion. On the face of our currency, it says, "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private." Our currency is indeed the property of the Federal Reserve and may be seized for misuse. Its a bearer note that comes with warranties for its negotiation.

A fully libertarian form of government could not support the inherent value the American Dollar carries. Argentina is finding its economy and government can't support the value of its peso.

Our government does a much better job in allocating resources and providing guardrails on our economy than you give it credit for. Im not sure where our country would be if the oligarchy of the robber barrons of the early 20th century had been allowed to persist. I would wager that we would not have engaged in WWII. If you let people with all the power or all the money make the decisions, you get bad outcomes for everyone including them, eventually. Even in a libertarian society, an apex predator emerges. And I would say it would be much easier to do so with its laissez-faire bend toward government.

And you are not an apex predator type, but there are certainly those who i regularly engage with who are and identify as libertarian. They are states rights absolutists and view the smaller the government the more it can be manipulated, aka, small enough to drown it in a bathtub.

We need enough government large enough to effectively govern and regulate the largest businesses in our country. Because they will not willingly be sympathetic to its citizens. We are the prey. If you want smaller less intrusive government, then you should be advocating for more equitable tax laws and stronger anti-trust laws that are enforced. I know that sounds ironic but it is the correct approach. Its well documented that smaller businesses place greater value on its employees, customers, and community.
 
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In a sense you are misunderstanding my assertion. On the face of our currency, it says, "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private." Our currency is indeed the property of the Federal Reserve and may be seized for misuse. Its a bearer note that comes with warranties for its negotiation.

A fully libertarian form of government could not support the inherent value the American Dollar carries. Argentina is finding its economy and government can't support the value of its peso.

I’m not sure how you come to that conclusion. Libertarians (overwhelmingly) don’t advocate for no government but for minimal government. We are not opposed to currency at all. Would prefer it not be fiat currency, with all the manipulation and inflation that comes with it.

Our government does a much better job in allocating resources and providing guardrails on our economy than you give it credit for. Im not sure where our country would be if the oligarchy of the robber barrons of the early 20th century had been allowed to persist. I would wager that we would not have engaged in WWII. If you let people with all the power or all the money make the decisions, you get bad outcomes for everyone including them, eventually. Even in a libertarian society, an apex predator emerges. And I would say it would be much easier to do so with its laissez-faire bend toward government.

Government is overwhelmingly a testament to waste and stupidity. The examples are endless. California has been trying to build the word’s slowest bullet train for a decade, is currently $100 billion over budget, and maybe will have something resembling a train line in another decade. Boston’s Big Dig. Alaska’s bridges to nowhere. And virtually every other infrastructure project is a joke regarding cost and time to completion, largely because much of the cost is shifted to taxpayers outside the state in question. When you don’t pay your own bills, there is no incentive to be smart with someone else’s money. That is a recipe for ensuring waste and abuse of public money. Beyond spending on infrastructure, nearly every government contract – big or small – has massive (or total) waste. I’ve been providing firsthand examples for 17 years.

So, government bureaucrats allocating resources absolutely fail all the time. It will never be remotely as efficient as the market.

Look at the failures that are affordable housing programs. When I worked with a homebuilder, I saw firsthand how the result was anything but affordable. Typical of government plans to make things cheaper, they don’t. They just shift costs and distort markets.

This happens in multiple ways. Many times I encountered a city or county that required 25% “affordable” housing. The house must be sold at cost. To make up for getting no profit on that 25%, I must increase the cost on the 75% “market-rate” houses to make up the difference. (So, there is no market rate housing in this area – only premium-cost housing.) That’s a significant cost borne by responsible future homeowners, which increases their mortgage debt and risk. That’s a dishonest and stupid way to regulate housing.

Another way … Say, I have some land where I can build 120 homes. But the government says any development over 100 homes must have a significant “affordable” component. More than likely, to make the deal work, I will build 99 homes or less to avoid that regulation. The 99 homes must absorb the cost of the 21 homes that didn’t get built.

Affordable housing limits supply and raises prices, which is the opposite of what it claims to do.

Compare with Argentina’s experience of ending affordable housing regulations. Supply of housing increased 30%, which brings down prices. Markets provide more desirable results than bureaucratic dictates.

And you are not an apex predator type, but there are certainly those who i regularly engage with who are and identify as libertarian. They are states rights absolutists and view the smaller the government the more it can be manipulated, aka, small enough to drown it in a bathtub.

If you could condense a political philosophy down to a sentence, libertarianism is the philosophy of “leave me alone.” And by quid pro quo I’ll leave you alone. Now, realizing that there are predators and moochers in the world, there must be recourse for when someone doesn’t leave you alone. That’s where regulations for things like safety and antitrust prohibitions and police for protection and the courts for enforcement of contracts are justified. Again, limited government and not anarchy.

And I don’t know what a predatory libertarian is, but by definition that doesn’t exist. The people who call themselves that are either fooling you or fooling themselves. That makes about as much sense as when certain posters on this board defined libertarians as fascists. That’s just stupid by definition. A person who advocates leaving others alone with all interactions being based on consent and being mutually beneficial can’t be predatory.

We need enough government large enough to effectively govern and regulate the largest businesses in our country. Because they will not willingly be sympathetic to its citizens. We are the prey. If you want smaller less intrusive government, then you should be advocating for more equitable tax laws and stronger anti-trust laws that are enforced. I know that sounds ironic but it is the correct approach. Its well documented that smaller businesses place greater value on its employees, customers, and community.

Just as I fundamentally disagree with your cynical view towards people, I similarly disagree with your negative view toward business. Why would you do business with an entity that preys upon you? In a free market, there’s no reason why you would. A business has to earn your patronage. Of course, abuse happens. People are still people, after all, with some following their worst impulses. And that’s why the police and courts exist. But, to say that a business exists to abuse its customers is just not right. The business plan is to make money by giving the customers what they want and doing so better than the competition.

Most of the work I do now is funneling government contracts to small businesses. But these are ot small businesses as anyone would recognize. Washington deems all sorts of large businesses to be small – plenty of nationwide(!) small businesses doing government work. These businesses would not exist if it were not for government re-defining terms to suit their goals. (No too much unlike deeming that a small, limited government really means a government of unlimited size and power.) And because competition is greatly limited, since I have to award to certain businesses, the cost balloons several times over. I’ve written about this for years.

In a free market economy, there is plenty of room for all manner of businesses, big and small. Some people will feel more comfortable working for a small business. Others determine that oftentimes large businesses can offer better pay and benefits and opportunities for advancement. To each their own. Interestingly, your call for an overbearing government favors big businesses, which can absorb the increasing costs of regulation far better than small businesses.

Big government allows itself to be manipulated to favor wealthy businesses and individuals. It’s been like this forever. You can see it now. Big government is big waste, big corruption, and big abuse. And the bill for all that inefficiency is paid by everyone else.

And at the extreme, but certainly not an uncommon occurrence, big government is the predator on (to misuse a word) an industrial scale. Communist China. USSR. Pol Pot’s Cambodia. And endless other examples. 100s of millions dead via war or designed starvation. And, more widespread to include almost every country that doesn’t value individual personal and economic freedom, crushing poverty on billions of people has been the norm. Should we ever meet and my wife is around, she can tell you firsthand what it’s like to have the government tell you what you can do, say, read, see, own, etc.

I’m also not sure what you mean by equitable taxation. "Equity" is a vague term that is often used to allow the government to treat people differently. And, as we know, the government can't favor some without disfavoring others. I want everyone to be treated equally by our government. You success should be determined by merit, not by getting the government to put it's thumb on the scales. The purpose of taxes shouldn’t be to punish but to only fund limited constitutional governmental functions.

We disagree, but that’s more than ok. This is a good conversation. I’ll be heading out of town later today through the weekend, so I’ll be away from the board for a while. But, I enjoy the honest discussion. 🍻
 
Ineffective or unenforced antitrust laws have provided the landscape for large companies to indeed prey on their customers. Have you ever dealt with AT&T? They have the worst customer service experience I have ever experienced. Depending on where you live they may be the only phone/internet option you have. Insurance companies? There are plenty examples out there of companies exploiting the customers and can do so because there is no viable competition available, again, because competitors are being eliminated and the ever increasing costs to enter a market.

And if I am paying 20% of my total income toward income taxes, I dang sure believe a billionaire ought to at least pay that much. And there is well-worn path for billionaire to not pay that much.

And I would say as DINOs and RINOs, there are also LINOs. Their objective for "leave me alone" is much different than your own.
 

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