The LA riots

[crimsonaudio]

"State Sens. Scott Wiener and Jesse Arreguin -- Democratic lawmakers from San Francisco and Oakland, respectively -- announced Monday that they would be filing SB 627 to ban local, state and federal law enforcement from covering their faces when interacting with the public."

I get that, I just wonder if state laws can control federal officers from a legal perspective. Just because they pass it doesn't mean it's enforceable.

I believe they *should* be able to make this law and it be enforceable, but I'm a bit hazy on what states can require of federal agents.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I get that, I just wonder if state laws can control federal officers from a legal perspective. Just because they pass it doesn't mean it's enforceable.

I believe they *should* be able to make this law and it be enforceable, but I'm a bit hazy on what states can require of federal agents.

Based purely on the wording of the Constitution and the intent of the founders, the feds would have little influence over the states....with the exception of a few powers specifically reserved for the federal government.

But that's been trampled so many times over such a long period of time that it's effectively been reversed.

As a practical matter, the 10th Amendment might as well not exist.

So I'm also unsure what, if anything, the states can do in the face of federal opposition.

 

[dtgreg]

"State Sens. Scott Wiener and Jesse Arreguin -- Democratic lawmakers from San Francisco and Oakland, respectively -- announced Monday that they would be filing SB 627 to ban local, state and federal law enforcement from covering their faces when interacting with the public."

More welfare for lawyers. This'll go all the way to the Supremes.

The fact that a law like this would need to be passed tells you all you need to know. I do agree that we don't live in a society (yet) where law enforcement fear being individually targeted. So, if they are truly doing legal work protecting and serving, why would they be ashamed? If they are truly duly deputized law enforcement, why would they object to providing their name, badge number, and which service employs them? Unless, of course, they ARE doing something illegal or embarrassing or worse, cosplaying like the Wisconsin nutbag.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The fact that a law like this would need to be passed tells you all you need to know. I do agree that we don't live in a society (yet) where law enforcement fear being individually targeted. So, if they are truly doing legal work protecting and serving, why would they be ashamed? If they are truly duly deputized law enforcement, why would they object to providing their name, badge number, and which service employs them? Unless, of course, they ARE doing something illegal or embarrassing or worse, cosplaying like the Wisconsin nutbag.

I agree, unless there have been threats made against them. There's a possibility that these LEOs are breaking no laws, but that the protestors have been stirred up into a frenzy to the point that their safety is in question.

I don't know where the truth lies, just making the point that it could be about officer safety, not hiding due to lawlessness.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I agree, unless there have been threats made against them. There's a possibility that these LEOs are breaking no laws, but that the protestors have been stirred up into a frenzy to the point that their safety is in question.

I don't know where the truth lies, just making the point that it could be about officer safety, not hiding due to lawlessness.

Doxing is still a huge problem in this country. Need I remind everyone of the shootings up in Minnesota? If I'm an ICE agent, not only do I want my identity protected, I want body cams on for the full duration of the raid/arrest. Rioting thugs aren't exactly known for their restraint.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Absent a credible threat, I don't have a problem with banning the LEOs' use of face coverings.

But that street runs both ways.

For the same reasons -- i.e., if you're not doing something illegal, why do you need to cover your face? -- we should define protestors wearing face coverings or other disguises as crossing the line between protest and riot.

 

[Huckleberry]

 

[jthomas666]

Not LA, but relevant...

New York City comptroller Brad Lander arrested at immigration court hearing

Mayoral candidate was detained by Ice as he escorted an immigrant out of court, says his wife

www.theguardian.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Actually, since 1949, it's been illegal to be masked in public, with some exceptions. It was an anti-KKK law. We were the first deep South state to enact such a statute. It caused a problem when the pandemic hit...