The Republican War on Public Schools (vouchers, religion, graft, testing, etc.)

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I hate to tell you, but this is already happening on the private school side. Federal dollars go to kids who attend private schools that fall into a certain criteria. If the kids fall into a certain criteria, they receive vouchers that help pay for their tuition and other costs.
Yes and many states do it. But when there are absolutely no guardrails to it like some of these “school choice” advocates are proposing then you are creating something crazier than what is currently going on in college football
 

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Yep, and in some states (the Free State of Florida, for example) there's really no criteria. The government will send up to $9,000 per kid to parents at home or whatever private/nutty religious school is chosen. As for oversight of that cash? Please. The legislature/governor could not possibly care less.
Louisiana is considering doing this, and I think it is absolutely stupid and a total waste of taxpayer dollars.
 

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I always used to believe that “private schools had the best teachers” because that was always drilled in everyone’s brains about their test scores, college acceptance rates, and athletics. But once I figured out that I made 25k more starting out than a person I graduated with who took a private school job I was like “how in the hell is that possible?” Private schools the parents own the schools.

Charter schools… I honestly don’t know enough about them. But from my outside perspective they either hire cheap or practice nepotism.
Private schools not only generally pay far less than public schools, but the benefits are equally lacking.
 

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Private schools not only generally pay far less than public schools, but the benefits are equally lacking.
You're right, they normally pay a lot less and nowhere near the benefits as public schools. Most private schools with equal to better teachers than the public school are normally fortunate enough to have teachers who used to teach in public school, retired, and went to the private school. Or they have teachers who are married to someone who makes plenty of money and can afford to not be paid what the public schools pay. There are several private schools in our area like this, they have excellent teachers who don't need the money, but are well educated and don't want to sit at home. So they teach in the private school sector where most claim they don't have to put up with the "crap" that public school teachers have to put up with.
 
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NEW: Chicago Teachers Union president Stacy Davis Gates mocks parents by talking with a high-pitched, screechy voice, says she owns your kids.

Pure evil.

Gates quoted philosopher James Baldwin to argue that she has the right to control and influence children.

"American philosopher James Baldwin says the children are always ours."

Gates then mocked right-wingers by saying, "You think your children are its children!"

"Yes, we do," she said.


Thankfully, union leadership is hard at work dispelling the myth of "we will get your children." Such poise and grace.....
 

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Private schools not only generally pay far less than public schools, but the benefits are equally lacking.
Yes and it’s why I question why everyone wants the guardrails to come off. Because I guarantee you when private school classes resemble public school classes a lot of these teachers are going to start making demands.
 

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Yes and it’s why I question why everyone wants the guardrails to come off. Because I guarantee you when private school classes resemble public school classes a lot of these teachers are going to start making demands.
The teachers, principals, athletic coaches, and down to the janitors will be lined up wanting pay raises and better benefits.
 

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NEW: Chicago Teachers Union president Stacy Davis Gates mocks parents by talking with a high-pitched, screechy voice, says she owns your kids.

Pure evil.

Gates quoted philosopher James Baldwin to argue that she has the right to control and influence children.

"American philosopher James Baldwin says the children are always ours."

Gates then mocked right-wingers by saying, "You think your children are its children!"

"Yes, we do," she said.

Thankfully, union leadership is hard at work dispelling the myth of "we will get your children." Such poise and grace.....
"Pure evil" is taking an educator's statement regarding how dedicated teachers are with respect for their students and completely misrepresenting it.

Completely misrepresenting James Baldwin is rather telling as well. The quote in question is about ALL children being everyone's responsibility.

CJ, you really need to do a better job screening the stufff you post here; I'm certain you wouldn't want to be thought of as the same sort of ignorant, hate-spewing jackhole as Collin Rugg.
 

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I saw this and this it angers me.
Idaho teachers had been teaching Critical Race Theory in their classrooms (never mind that CRT is Marxoid garbage and should not be taught anywhere, including in a college setting, except to mock CRT as the Marxoid garbage that it is) but in a public high school or middle school, the students are minors and the teachers are public servants. If you do not like what the master orders, then do not take the job, quit, retire, or move to another state.

So, Idaho passed H 377, which declared the following tenets forbidden.
(a) No public institution of higher education, school district, or public school, including a public charter school, shall direct or other wise compel students to personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to any of the following tenets:
(i) That any sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin is inherently superior or inferior.
(ii) That individuals should be adversely treated on the basis of their sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin; or
(iii) That individuals, by virtue of sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin, are inherently responsible for actions committed in the past by other members of the same sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin.

Teachers in Idaho did not like this so, rather than being obedient public servants, they decided to continue teaching their Marxoid garbage, but call it something else, and then lie about doing so.

Investigative journalists undercover caught these public servants lying. "Change the labels, same stuff. So it's kind of brilliant."

I am not convinced that "Social-Emotional Learning" is something a public high school or middle school should be teaching. Why are public high schools even talking about that and why are they using it as a subterfuge for teaching Marxoid racist garbage that they have been ordered not to?
Not every teacher has this attitude, but those that do should be fired and, if possible, prosecuted.
 

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I am not convinced that "Social-Emotional Learning" is something a public high school or middle school should be teaching. Why are public high schools even talking about that and why are they using it as a subterfuge for teaching Marxoid racist garbage that they have been ordered not to?
Not every teacher has this attitude, but those that do should be fired and, if possible, prosecuted.
Our district has had a few teachers over the years fired for going rogue in the classroom and teaching something that wasn't on the "agenda". Thank goodness for cell phones and video or it would have just been the teacher's word against the student. As much as I hate the impact cell phones have had on kids and our society overall, they do have good aspects about them.
 
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Idaho did not place any label on the practice it just said, do not teach these:
(i) That any sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin is inherently superior or inferior.
(ii) That individuals should be adversely treated on the basis of their sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin; or
(iii) That individuals, by virtue of sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin, are inherently responsible for actions committed in the past by other members of the same sex, race, ethnicity, religion, color, or national origin.

Do you believe that one sex, race, ethnicity, color or national origin is superior or inferior?
Do you believe that individuals should be treated adversely because of these characteristics?
Do people alive today bear responsibility for the actions of people in the past with whom they share any of these characteristics?
I believe Marxism is both evil and pathetically stupid and I would teach it only to mock it but then I would only teach it in a college course, because the students will be young adults and better equipped to dissent, not in high school where students are minors.

Or is it that you do not like elected officials directing public policy for public servants?
 
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This happened in Appomattox County, which is a rural, very conservative county.

A young lady, named "Sage," at Appomattox High School announced to her teachers that she was a boy. The school decided to hide this from her parents. When her mother found out by accident, Sage ran away from home.
“My baby had been lured online, sex trafficked into D.C., then Maryland,” her mother recalled. “She was locked in a room, drugged, gang raped, and brutalized by countless men.” Once discovered in Maryland, a state-appointed Maryland lawyer tried to keep Sage from her mother, even hiding from Sage her mother's letters. The lawyer “told my precious child I didn’t want her anymore,” the mother testified.
Sage eventually ran away from the shelter and was discovered in Texas. “She had been drugged, raped, beaten, and exploited,” the mother said. At an interim shelter between Sage being rescued by police in Texas and Sage going home, the therapist pressured Sage to get her breasts removed. Sage resisted.

A bill in the General Assembly to require school officials to share gender-identity changes with at least one parent. The bill also stipulated that "In no event shall referring to and raising the child in a manner consistent with the child's biological sex, including related mental health or medical decisions, be considered abuse or neglect." So calling a boy a boy or calling a girl a girl will not, for purposes of this law, constitute abuse.
The bill passed the Republican-controlled House and was killed in committee in the Democrat-controlled Senate in a party line vote.

I am not sure why Democrats feel so determined to isolate a parent from his/her child, but when the schools cut parents out of the equation, really bad things can happen. I'm sure the school officials feel badly about what happened to Sage but they have already moved on to the next group of kids. Sage's parents, and indeed Sage herself, will be dealing with the consequences for a long time to come.
 

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This happened in Appomattox County, which is a rural, very conservative county.

A young lady, named "Sage," at Appomattox High School announced to her teachers that she was a boy. The school decided to hide this from her parents. When her mother found out by accident, Sage ran away from home.
“My baby had been lured online, sex trafficked into D.C., then Maryland,” her mother recalled. “She was locked in a room, drugged, gang raped, and brutalized by countless men.” Once discovered in Maryland, a state-appointed Maryland lawyer tried to keep Sage from her mother, even hiding from Sage her mother's letters. The lawyer “told my precious child I didn’t want her anymore,” the mother testified.
Sage eventually ran away from the shelter and was discovered in Texas. “She had been drugged, raped, beaten, and exploited,” the mother said. At an interim shelter between Sage being rescued by police in Texas and Sage going home, the therapist pressured Sage to get her breasts removed. Sage resisted.

A bill in the General Assembly to require school officials to share gender-identity changes with at least one parent. The bill also stipulated that "In no event shall referring to and raising the child in a manner consistent with the child's biological sex, including related mental health or medical decisions, be considered abuse or neglect." So calling a boy a boy or calling a girl a girl will not, for purposes of this law, constitute abuse.
The bill passed the Republican-controlled House and was killed in committee in the Democrat-controlled Senate in a party line vote.

I am not sure why Democrats feel so determined to isolate a parent from his/her child, but when the schools cut parents out of the equation, really bad things can happen. I'm sure the school officials feel badly about what happened to Sage but they have already moved on to the next group of kids. Sage's parents, and indeed Sage herself, will be dealing with the consequences for a long time to come.
I can tell you why they want this. They want to usurp parental rights and control. They think they know better how to raise a child than the parent, and for truly abusive parents they may be right, but it's about pushing their agenda in the culture at large. The best way to do this is to control what a child learns and to indoctrinate them into their ideology. I think this is dark stuff. Anyone wanting to remove parental rights and authority have no good intentions and only want control for themselves. They want to teach their version of morality at the expense of the nuclear family structure. This is dark stuff, and this stuff is why Dems have lost elections and will probably continue to lose some they should win, and why leftist states like CA are losing population. Sane and rational people are just going to keep packing up and leaving.
 
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fwiw, the lawsuit against appomattox was apparently dismissed



On June 25, 2024, the Honorable Norman K. Moon of the United States District Court for the Western District of Virginia dismissed the Complaint filed against the Appomattox County School Board and its employees by Michele Blair. In so doing, the Court concluded that neither the School Board nor its employees violated clearly established constitutional rights and that the actions of the School Board and its employees did not cause the alleged damages. The School Board and its employees are pleased that the Court has dismissed this unfounded litigation. Appomattox County Public Schools has always been, and remains, committed to the safety, wellbeing, and education of its students.
 
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I can tell you why they want this. They want to usurp parental rights and control. They think they know better how to raise a child than the parent, and for truly abusive parents they may be right, but it's about pushing their agenda in the culture at large. The best way to do this is to control what a child learns and to indoctrinate them into their ideology. I think this is dark stuff. Anyone wanting to remove parental rights and authority have no good intentions and only want control for themselves. They want to teach their version of morality at the expense of the nuclear family structure. This is dark stuff, and this stuff is why Dems have lost elections and will probably continue to lose some they should win, and why leftist states like CA are losing population. Sane and rational people are just going to keep packing up and leaving.
Who is this mysterious and malevolent "they"?
 

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I can tell you why they want this. They want to usurp parental rights and control. They think they know better how to raise a child than the parent, and for truly abusive parents they may be right, but it's about pushing their agenda in the culture at large. The best way to do this is to control what a child learns and to indoctrinate them into their ideology. I think this is dark stuff. Anyone wanting to remove parental rights and authority have no good intentions and only want control for themselves. They want to teach their version of morality at the expense of the nuclear family structure. This is dark stuff, and this stuff is why Dems have lost elections and will probably continue to lose some they should win, and why leftist states like CA are losing population. Sane and rational people are just going to keep packing up and leaving.
I am really reluctant to speak for the motivations of people with whom I disagree. That is a recipe for bad faith argument.
 

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fwiw, the lawsuit against appomattox was apparently dismissed



On June 25, 2024, the Honorable Norman K. Moon of the United States District Court for the Western District of Virginia dismissed the Complaint filed against the Appomattox County School Board and its employees by Michele Blair. In so doing, the Court concluded that neither the School Board nor its employees violated clearly established constitutional rights and that the actions of the School Board and its employees did not cause the alleged damages. The School Board and its employees are pleased that the Court has dismissed this unfounded litigation. Appomattox County Public Schools has always been, and remains, committed to the safety, wellbeing, and education of its students.
Thanks. I had to look at the decision.

A motion to dismiss “does not, however, resolve contests surrounding the facts, the merits of a claim, or the applicability of defenses.”

The federal judge just said the plaintiff had not shown the enough to substantiate a violation of substantive due process. No case law, no federal statute, etc.

This law suit was probably better suited for a state court.

This is still really bad school board policy.
 
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