The story behind the story of Saddam's lost explosives.

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Both of these possibilities are logical, if contradictory, and both acquit the Administration. But there's one more thing we'd like to know: How did this story come to light, oh, one week before the presidential election? The IAEA informed the U.S. of the missing stockpile on October 15; according to our sources, it also notified the government that the story was "likely to leak." Leak, of course, is what it did, and to no one other than CBS's "60 Minutes." Funny how that rings a bell.
 

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Looters stormed the weapons site at Al Qaqaa in the days after American troops swept through the area in early April 2003 on their way to Baghdad, gutting office buildings, carrying off munitions and even dismantling heavy machinery, three Iraqi witnesses and a regional security chief said Wednesday.

"The looting started after the collapse of the regime," said Wathiq al-Dulaimi, a regional security chief, who was based nearby in Latifiya. But once it had begun, he said, the booty streamed toward Baghdad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middleeast/28bomb.html?oref=login&oref=login
 
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Wow, quoting the NY Times and CBS as credible news sources after they have been caught telling several false stories. According to ACCUracy in the Media. both have a lower score than Rush Limbaugh.
 
380 tons? Looters? It would take tractor trailers and heavy machinery to load and carry 380 tons of weapons off. And no one noticed! Give me a break! I believe the left wing news media about as far as I can throw 380 tons. The news media has there own agenda. And that’s getting a democrat back into the white house.
 

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Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
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By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and
related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003
U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international
technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian
troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the
high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south
of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of
military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of
any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others
were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms
provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable
information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence
services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons
collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other
arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and
possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some
380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear
weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the
Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was
used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused
the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special
explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if
the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by
Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units
during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and
found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement
yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th
Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May
27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past
by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of
explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of
heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat
divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd
Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the
site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at
Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the
seals were not broken.
It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N.
team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq
reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to
provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence
activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from
learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the
former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to
U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional
arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion,
Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he
said.
However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have
been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The
organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked
with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special
weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology,
from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly
Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and
explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in
Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency
operations in Iraq.
The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had
destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq
while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.
Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made
in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border,"
the defense official said.
Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units
involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the
documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and
chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair
Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings
and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.
Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the
extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab
Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was
captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU
military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys
for the weapons removal, the official said.
Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7
metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons
of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or
pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military
"plastic" high explosive.
Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened
to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the
country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
 

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Ex Russian Spy Fingered Russians in Iraq back in August of 2003
The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them "disappear." Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals,Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. They were all there receiving honorary medals from the Iraqi defense minister. They clearly were not there to give Saddam military advice for the upcomingwar—Saddam'sKatyusha launchers were of World War II vintage, and his T-72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes were all obviously useless against America. "I did not fly to Baghdad to drink coffee," was what Gen. Achalov told the media afterward. They were there orchestrating Iraq's "Sarindar" plan.
 

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I wonder if the ruskies are not playing their own version of geopolitics. IT seems that they have used the middle east as a way to antagonize us at best or set us back or harm us at worse. They sell arms and technology to the terrorist nations, they remove them too.
Makes me wonder how kerry can embrace them as an ally.
 

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Russia angrily denied allegations Thursday that Russian forces had smuggled a cache of high explosives out of Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion in March 2003.

Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov dismissed the allegations as "absurd" and "ridiculous."

"I can state officially that the Russian Defense Ministry and its structures couldn't have been involved in the disappearance of the explosives, because all Russian military experts left Iraq when the international sanctions were introduced during the 1991 Gulf War," he told The Associated Press.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...028/ap_on_re_eu/russia_iraq_weapons&printer=1
 
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A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew in Iraq shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein was in the area where tons of explosives disappeared, and may have videotaped some of those weapons.

During that trip, members of the 101st Airborne Division showed the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS news crew bunker after bunker of material labelled "explosives." Usually it took just the snap of a bolt cutter to get into the bunkers and see the material identified by the 101st as detonation cords.

"We can stick it in those and make some good bombs." a soldier told our crew.

In one bunker, there were boxes marked with the name "Al Qaqaa", the munitions plant where tons of explosives allegedly went missing.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1
 
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The video shows a cable locking a door shut. That cable is connected by a copper colored seal.

A spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Agency told 5 Eyewitness News that seal appears to be one used by their inspectors. "In Iraq they were used when there was a concern that this could have a, what we call, dual use purpose, that there could be a nuclear weapons application."
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1
 

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The strongest evidence to date indicates that conventional explosives missing from Iraq's Al-Qaqaa installation disappeared after the United States had taken control of Iraq.

Barrels inside the Al-Qaqaa facility appear on videotape shot by ABC television affiliate KSTP of St. Paul, Minn., which had a crew embedded with the 101st Airborne Division when it passed through Al-Qaqaa on April 18, 2003 — nine days after Baghdad fell.

Experts who have studied the images say the barrels on the tape contain the high explosive HMX, and the U.N. markings on the barrels are clear.

"I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine, and he confirmed that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847
 

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The IAEA documents from January 2003 found no discrepancy in the amount of the more dangerous HMX explosives thought to be stored at Al-Qaqaa, but they do raise another disturbing possibility.

The documents show IAEA inspectors looked at nine bunkers containing more than 194 tons of HMX at the facility. Although these bunkers were still under IAEA seal, the inspectors said the seals may be potentially ineffective because they had ventilation slats on the sides. These slats could be easily removed to remove the materials inside the bunkers without breaking the seals, the inspectors noted.
 

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This explosive bunker was one of the most important targets before and after the invasion and it should have been accounted for and safeguarded. From the moment the invasion was over the US should have assumed responsibility for this site. If the explosives were missing when the US got to the site it should have notified the international community and the IAEA immediately. This situation was definitely mishandled no matter what actually happened to the dangerous high explosives. God forbid they end up in the hands of terrorists.

Video suggests explosives at site after invasion

Videotape shot by a Minnesota television crew traveling with U.S. troops in Iraq when they first opened the bunkers at the Al-Qaqaa munitions base nine days after the fall of Saddam Hussein shows what appeared to be high explosives still in barrels and bearing the markings of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The video taken by KSTP of St. Paul on April 18, 2003, could reinforce suggestions that tons of explosives missing from a munitions installation in Iraq were looted after the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. The video was broadcast nationally Thursday on ABC.

“The photographs are consistent with what I know of Al-Qaqaa,” David A. Kay, a former American official who directed the hunt in Iraq for unconventional weapons and visited the site, told The New York Times. “The damning thing is the seals. The Iraqis didn’t use seals on anything. So I’m absolutely sure that’s an IAEA seal.”

The question of what happened to the tons of explosives has become a major issue in the closing days of the presidential campaign.

Democrat John Kerry says the missing explosives — powerful enough to demolish a building, bring down a jetliner or set off a nuclear weapon — are another example of the Bush administration’s poor planning and incompetence in handling the war in Iraq. President Bush says the explosives were possibly removed by Saddam’s forces before the invasion.
 

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You're right, it was mishandled....by the IAEA and the UN.

1) The UN recommended to the IAEA back in 1995 that they destroy all of Saddam's stores of HMX and RDX. The IAEA allowed Saddam to convince them that he should keep it.

2) The IAEA put easily reproducible 'seals' on bunker doors that had ventilation slats on the side that would allow for the removal of the contents of the storage facility. That's a two-for right there.

3) The IAEA never confirmed that the material was still in the bunkers after their January inspection. They only checked the seals.

4) The IAEA 'leaked' a report to the NY Times and CBS just before the election suggesting that 380 tons went missing after the fall of Baghdad. This was a blatant attempt to influence the results of the election and the Kerry team managed to get a commercial out just one day after.

5) The IAEA reported back in January 2003 that only 3 tons of RDX were at the Al-Qaqaa facility. What happened to the other 100-something tons?

6) We putzed around with a corrupt UN for six months which gave Saddam plenty of time to disperse his weapons and munitions to protect them from US Airstrikes.

7) UN Allies France, Germany, and Russia pressured Turkey into disallowing the 4th ID to invade south from their country. Instead of being on the ground to help with the invasion and prevent looting and other incidents, they were at sea and disembarking in Kuwait.

8) There is no confirmation that the site the news team visited contained the materials in question. Yes, there are explosives there but nothing to confirm that there are 380 tons worth of HDX and RDX. Kerry Spot blog and Captain's Quarters blog do an excellent job on covering the crates and drums shown in the video.

9) During wartime and an advance on Baghdad, a loose perimter around a complex that measured 10 miles by 10 miles is probably the best that can be expected. The US controlled the roads and the skies at the time so it is highly unlikely that 380 tons of anything could just be 'spirited away' by looters.

10) The 380 tons represent less than one-tenth of one percent of the total amount of explosives and munitions that Saddam possesed. We've secured over 400,000 tons of explosives and munitions. Put in persepective, I'd say we've been wildly successful given the size of Iraq and the time Saddam was given to prepare for our arrival.
 

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I saw the video and the U.S. troops were showing the cameras the rows and rows of explosives. They even opened some of the containers to show the contents. They did not have any orders to remove the explosives the reporter stated. The explosives were there on 4-18-03 and gone afterwards. This was a failure of planning to not have sufficient troops to secure these facilities. Yet, former Mayor Guilliani says the troops were at fault. Earlier this week he campaigned with the President who said Kerry was blaming the troops. This is not the fault of the IAEA or the U.N. Both organizations warned the U.S. that the explosives were there before the war. It was a failure of this administration that was so anxious to go to war that they failed to plan for the after-effects. Our troops our now suffering for that mistake of leadership. The FBI is now conducting a criminal inquiry into Cheney's deferred compensation payer -Haliburton. Policies that require a 1-year emergency contract were extended to 5 years and Haliburton employees were part of discussions on who would get the no-bid contract it is alleged. If all this was occuring on the watch of a Democratic administration, all of those on here trying to defend GWB would be just like us who complain about his policies now, very vocal in opposition. That's the truth.
 
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Drudge reporting:
FLASH 10.29.04 11:36:56 ET /// Soldier to brief reporters at Pentagon within the hour that he was tasked with removing explosives from al QaQaa and he and his unit removed 200+ tons... Officer was ordered to join the 101st airborne on April 13 -- to destroy conventional explosives at the al QaQaa complex... Developing...
 
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