News Article: Time to face reality: ‘No one is playing college football in the fall’ (or are they?)

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Covid is not something college kids should fear. I’m 37 and I’m not worried either. More college kids will die of alcohol poisoning, or a car crash, or suicide than from covid.

It’s “safe” to bring kids back into dorms now.
It would be nice to believe that, but every time I hear someone say this the next day on the news there is the announcement of another person in their 20's who had no underlying problems that dies from it.

FWIW, as you mention, there are other causes of death from college students, but those realities don't cancel the Covid reality.
 

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Covid is not something college kids should fear. I’m 37 and I’m not worried either. More college kids will die of alcohol poisoning, or a car crash, or suicide than from covid.
Death isn't the only concern - quality of life matters, too, and long-term health issues are appearing among many of the younger people infected that might be permanent (renal damage, lung scarring, etc.).

We're learning more about this weird virus every day. We don't know enough to declare attending school 'safe' or not.
 

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No, it is not. This post is so ignorant as to be disgusting.
You don't have to get outraged because he's sharing facts. What he's saying is correct, sure they are outliers but they are few and far between. You can look at the death distributions and see there is an obvious age correlation. Swine flu was more dangerous to college kids than this disease is. There's also no evidence to support that cancellations like this actually have any impact on the spread of the virus. As we've seen all over the country young people are gathering in mass whether we have school or not. The virus spread when we were in full lockdowns.

The only goal all along was to slow the spread so it doesn't overwhelm hospital systems. The idea that we were going to end the virus through lockdowns or masks is just a fantasy. The virus spreading among the young healthy population is actually more beneficial because they are the lowest risk, least likely to need hospitalization, and it gets us closer to herd immunity. Take Clemson's team they had 30 some players test positive, almost none of them had symptoms.

It's not helpful to act like anyone who disagrees with you is disgusting and wants everyone to die. It isn't fair and it ignores all of the negative impacts that come from shutdowns.
 

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Death isn't the only concern - quality of life matters, too, and long-term health issues are appearing among many of the younger people infected that might be permanent (renal damage, long scarring, etc.).

We're learning more about this weird virus every day. We don't know enough to declare attending school 'safe' or not.
not to mention asymptomatic students being disease vectors, the teachers/support staff not being "young", etc
 

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not to mention asymptomatic students being disease vectors, the teachers/support staff not being "young", etc
You can facepalm me all you want. What evidence do you have that these measures have any impact on the spread of the disease? You think all of these 18-22 year olds are just going to sit at home for the next year until it's safe to go outside. Of course they won't, they'll be partying, protesting, and working. We didn't stop the spread even when we were all in massive lockdowns. That's because the goal was never to stop the spread it was to slow it to avoid hospitals being overwhelmed.

There is certainly evidence that lockdowns have negative consequences for the economy, people's mental health, education, and a number of areas. What evidence is there that shutting down football will have any impact on the spread of the disease.
 

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That's a very reasoned response. You acting outraged and posting a poop emoji doesn't make you right. What is your measure for when it is safe to go back to school? I'd love to hear it. What impact can you point to that shutdowns had on the spread of the virus? It's easy to act outraged and not discuss facts but it's not how adults make tough decisions.
 
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I refuse to debate with people who remain willfully ignorant.
That is the attitude of a child. You are convinced that you are right without really making any points at all. I'm open to a discussion, I'm sorry you aren't. I thought this was a message board where people expressed opinions and sometimes even shared facts. There are tons of doctors who agree with what I'm saying so you apparently believe all of them are ignorant as well.
 

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there are quite a few out there. with very few exceptions, no one is meeting these measures

http://www.nysed.gov/news/2020/stat...mework-guidance-reopen-new-york-state-schools
.5% of the people in my county are infected with the disease. Yet i'm in a hot spot for the virus. It's fair to attempt to strike a balance between reopening and staying closed and consider both the risk of opening verse the risk of not opening. You can't do that if the discussion just leads to people jamming their fingers in their ears and saying you want everyone to die. Certainly it's something that should be decided on a locality level because the risk is different within different areas of individual states.

That's why I'm asking what evidence is there that shutdowns do anything to stop the spread of the virus? That's an honest question and there are countries that did less than us shutdown wise and have very similar results. If shutting down won't stop the spread of the virus (because other areas of economy are open, because humans will do what they want to do, or any number of other reasons) then what is the purpose of it? At that point to me the negative consequences outweigh the benefits.

Obviously this is talking about college but no reason the people upset think any different about K-12 schools. Here's a couple negatives from shutting down. Mandatory reporters won't see evidence of child abuse, school meals, negative impact on single parent households, negative impact on low income households, many kids simply won't attend school, and I'm certain there are more.
 
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.5% of the people in my county are infected with the disease. Yet i'm in a hot spot for the virus. It's fair to attempt to strike a balance between reopening and staying closed and consider both the risk of opening verse the risk of not opening. You can't do that if the discussion just leads to people jamming their fingers in their ears and saying you want everyone to die. Certainly it's something that should be decided on a locality level because the risk is different within different areas of individual states.

That's why I'm asking what evidence is there that shutdowns do anything to stop the spread of the virus? That's an honest question and there are countries that did less than us shutdown wise and have very similar results. If shutting down won't stop the spread of the virus (because other areas of economy are open, because humans will do what they want to do, or any number of other reasons) then what is the purpose of it? At that point to me the negative consequences outweigh the benefits.

Obviously this is talking about college but no reason the people upset think any different about K-12 schools. Here's a couple negatives from shutting down. Mandatory reporters won't see evidence of child abuse, school meals, negative impact on single parent households, negative impact on low income households, many kids simply won't attend school, and I'm certain there are more.
there are plenty of experts who know what the hell they are talking about who think it is a really bad idea to open up schools, etc. there is a ton of literature out there discussing all of the questions you keep asking. i would suggest listening to them.

there were a lot of things that could have been put in place march-june to make it more likely that we could more fully "open up" by the fall, but none of that was done and here we are in a situation that is much worse than what we were facing in march when this all started taking off.
 

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.5% of the people in my county are infected with the disease. Yet i'm in a hot spot for the virus. It's fair to attempt to strike a balance between reopening and staying closed and consider both the risk of opening verse the risk of not opening. You can't do that if the discussion just leads to people jamming their fingers in their ears and saying you want everyone to die. Certainly it's something that should be decided on a locality level because the risk is different within different areas of individual states.

That's why I'm asking what evidence is there that shutdowns do anything to stop the spread of the virus? That's an honest question and there are countries that did less than us shutdown wise and have very similar results. If shutting down won't stop the spread of the virus (because other areas of economy are open, because humans will do what they want to do, or any number of other reasons) then what is the purpose of it? At that point to me the negative consequences outweigh the benefits.

Obviously this is talking about college but no reason the people upset think any different about K-12 schools. Here's a couple negatives from shutting down. Mandatory reporters won't see evidence of child abuse, school meals, negative impact on single parent households, negative impact on low income households, many kids simply won't attend school, and I'm certain there are more.
Shutdowns work. Look at Germany. Germany is probably going to have fans in soccer stadiums before we have fans at any sporting event in the near future.

FTR I’m trying to stay out of the political nature of this, but it seems there are a few that are trying to push it.
 
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