Trump, NATO, and the Future of the US/Europe Relationship

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The way the West uses antipersonnel mines is different from the way Russia does. The Soviets (and Russia) have scattering machines in trails. You drive a truck towing the scattering machine and it tosses mines out in a random pattern. The Serbs in the Bosnia Civil War used the Soviet technique. When asked where the minefield was, they would jerk a thumb towards a field and say, "In there somewhere." They had no idea where the individual mines were. That makes clearing the mines costly and dangerous.
The western way is to drive a stake in the ground, and then pace off distance on an azimuth to implant the mine, and then record the data, This makes recovery a lot easier and safer.

The problem with a mine is that it does not know if the person who steps on it is a soldier or a civilians, which is why the international community has tried to ban them.
 

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Democracy, y’all! I wonder if the U.S. will have a proper response to this….or any response at all.
 

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Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all announce that they will be leaving the Ottawa Treaty which bans the use of anti-personnel mines. The borders with Russia and Belarus will soon be mined.

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What do those countries all have in common? NATO countries that border Russia. (Finland and Norway border Russia as well, but I doubt the Finns will leave Ottawa and I seriously doubt Norway will either.)
 
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What do those countries all have in common? NATO countries that border Russia. (Finland and Norway border Russia as well, but I doubt the Finns will leave Ottawa and I seriously doubt Norway will either.)
Yes - the combination of Putin's aggression and Trump telling them it's time to pull their own weight has these countries moving proactively. This is a Good Thing.
 

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