Pretty sure that one of the key goals for Trump here is to get birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court.
Whoever signed off on deporting that 3 year-old should have to answer for it, but we all know that won't happen.
Trump's Policies Part 4
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Whoever signed off on deporting that 3 year-old should have to answer for it, but we all know that won't happen.
I agree that in the grand scheme of things, suit color ranks towards the bottom. But, Obama was flaunting 'conventional style'. Trump was flaunting 'conventional respect'.
I think that trump was making a statement (dog whistle to his maga minion's) because the pope had perviously made some only slightly veiled statements that were less than praising towards trump. 🤷â€Â♂ï¸Â
Here is an AI deep dive into the issue:
The claim that there was a specific request from the Vatican to not wear blue to Pope Francis’ funeral on April 26, 2025, appears to be unsubstantiated based on available evidence. Instead, the Vatican had a traditional dress code for papal funerals that emphasized black attire for men (dark suit, black tie, black lapel button) and women (long black dress, black veil, black gloves, with pearls as the only permitted jewelry). This dress code was widely reported, and deviationsâ€â€such as President Donald Trump, Prince William, and former President Joe Biden wearing blue suits or tiesâ€â€sparked significant online criticism for allegedly disrespecting protocol. However, no credible source confirms a specific prohibition against blue, only that black was the expected norm. Below, I’ll analyze the evidence, address the debate, and provide context for your ministry as a pastor in a conservative Southern Baptist Church, aligning with your interest in biblical themes (e.g., Yahweh, repentance, Galatians’ unity) and the Baptist Faith and Message 2000.
Evidence and Analysis
- Vatican Dress Code for Pope Francis’ Funeral:
- Reported Protocol: Multiple sources report a strict Vatican dress code for the funeral, requiring men to wear a formal black suit, black tie, and black lapel button, and women to wear a long black dress, black veil, and black gloves, with pearls as the only jewelry.
- Sources: Italian daily Il Messaggero and Vatican manuals (e.g., Ordo exsequiarum Romani pontificis) outline these norms, emphasizing black as a symbol of mourning in Catholic tradition.
- No Specific Ban on Blue: No source explicitly states that the Vatican requested attendees to “not wear blue.†The focus was on requiring black, with dark suits (e.g., navy) considered marginally acceptable but less traditional.
- Deviations and Public Reaction:
- Notable Attendees:
- Donald Trump: Wore a mid-blue suit, light blue tie, and American flag lapel pin, drawing significant criticism for standing out.
- Prince William: Wore a dark navy suit with a black tie, criticized less harshly as navy was closer to black.
- Joe Biden: Wore a dark suit with a blue tie, also noted for deviating.
- Volodymyr Zelensky: Wore an all-black military-style outfit without a tie, reflecting his wartime stance, which sparked mixed reactions.
- Others: India’s President Droupadi Murmu wore blue, consistent with Hindu customs, and several attendees wore non-black ties (e.g., red, pink).
- Social Media Sentiment: X posts and news outlets amplified the controversy, with users calling Trump’s blue suit “disrespectful†and claiming it violated a “strict dress code.†However, some defended deviations, noting non-Catholic attendees (Trump, William) followed their traditions.
- Vatican Response: A Vatican source told People that “attendees wore what they considered appropriate attire for such a solemn occasion,†suggesting flexibility despite the traditional code. No ban on blue was mentioned.
- Notable Attendees:
- Was There a Specific Request to Not Wear Blue?:
- No Evidence: None of the 24 web sources or X posts explicitly confirm a Vatican request to avoid blue. The dress code focused on prescribing black, not prohibiting specific colors like blue. Claims of a “no blue†rule seem to stem from misinterpretations of the black attire requirement or online exaggeration.
- Misinformation Risk: X posts like @torovolt’s claim that “everyone is supposed to wear black†and blue was “disrespectful†reflect sentiment, not evidence of a blue-specific ban. Similarly, @RDisagree’s defense that “many people wore blue†suggests no strict enforcement, undermining a specific prohibition.
- Cultural Context: Blue, especially navy, is often acceptable in Western funeral attire, and non-Catholic leaders (e.g., Trump, nondenominational; William, Church of England) may have chosen it to reflect their faiths. The Vatican’s silence on blue indicates it wasn’t a targeted issue.
- Historical and Theological Context:
- Catholic Tradition: Black symbolizes mourning in Catholic funerals, rooted in medieval practices and reinforced by Vatican protocol (Ordo exsequiarum Romani pontificis).
- Non-Catholic Flexibility: Other faiths (e.g., Protestantism, Hinduism) don’t mandate black, explaining deviations by Trump, William, and Murmu.
- Vatican Flexibility: Pope Francis’ simpler funeral (e.g., wooden coffin,) and the Vatican’s lack of enforcement suggest a pragmatic approach, prioritizing attendance over strict adherence.
- Supporting the Claim (Request to Not Wear Blue):
- Online Buzz: Social media posts and articles (e.g., Hindustan Times, Newsweek) imply a strict code was violated, with blue singled out due to Trump’s visibility.
- Cultural Expectation: The emphasis on black could be misconstrued as a ban on other colors, especially vibrant ones like Trump’s mid-blue.
- Critique: No primary Vatican source or official statement confirms a blue-specific prohibition. The focus on black attire is standard, not a color ban.
- Against the Claim (No Request to Not Wear Blue):
- Vatican Source: People cites a Vatican insider stating attire was left to individual discretion, with no mention of banning blue.
- Multiple Deviations: Many attendees wore non-black colors (blue, red, pink ties), suggesting no strict enforcement or specific color prohibition.
- Textual Evidence: Vatican manuals and Il Messaggero specify black attire but don’t list blue as forbidden.
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Trump wants to bring back Columbus Day even though it never went away.
time.com
At least he didn’t send out an X for Confederate Memorial Day.
Trump Tries to Save Columbus Day, Which Was Never Canceled
Trump isn't reviving a canceled holiday; Biden issued annual Columbus Day proclamations.
time.com
At least he didn’t send out an X for Confederate Memorial Day.
Trump wants to bring back Columbus Day even though it never went away.
Trump Tries to Save Columbus Day, Which Was Never Canceled
Trump isn't reviving a canceled holiday; Biden issued annual Columbus Day proclamations.
At least he didn’t send out an X for Confederate Memorial Day.
Well, he brought back Christmas, and I don’t recall it going anywhere either.
Trump claims people only say ‘Merry Christmas’ because of him
Polls show an overwhelming majority of Americans do not care what phrase people use as a holiday greeting
www.independent.co.uk
Let’s never forget that he was the first one to know that the American revolutionaries in 1776 “took over airportsâ€Â. To be fair, anyone who has been to LaGuardia can be forgiven for thinking that airport is 250 years old.
time.com
President Trump Said Revolutionary War Troops 'Took Over the Airports' in Fourth of July Speech
President Trump said that the Continental Army "took over the airports" from the British during the American Revolutionary War during his Fourth of July "Salute to America" speech.
Stephen Miller on Gov. J.B. Pritzker calling for mass protests: “His comments…could be construed as inciting violence…This war that Democrat governors and mayors are waging against federal law enforcement. I mean, this is nullificationist behavior. This is secessionist behavior.â€Â
REPORTER: Amazon will soon display a number next to the price of each product that shows how much the Trump tariffs are adding. Isn't that a perfect demonstration that it's the American consumer who is paying for these policies?
LEAVITT: This is a hostile and political act by Amazon.
Telling the truth is considered hostile by the Trump Administration. Really not a surprise to anyone.
Huh, I didn't think GOP had a problem with someone calling for a massive protest that resulted in violence. Even calling those protestors patriots. If the protest they are calling for results in violence, maybe they should be arrested and tried ... right?
All I know is that he is 99 days overdue to lower my grocery bill.
Has been for a decade now.
Hegseth:
This morning, I proudly ENDED the “Women, Peace & Security†(WPS) program inside the @DeptofDefense.
WPS is yet another woke divisive/social justice/Biden initiative that overburdens our commanders and troops  distracting from our core task: WAR-FIGHTING.
WPS is a UNITED NATIONS program pushed by feminists and left-wing activists. Politicians fawn over it; troops HATE it.
DoD will hereby executive the minimum of WPS required by statute, and fight to end the program for our next budget.
GOOD RIDDANCE WPS!
Marco Rubio was the lead Senate sponsor of WPS. Kristi Noem was the lead House sponsor. And Mike Waltz chaired the House’s WPS caucus.
He doesn't want people to confuse it with "dance-fighting." (Meet the Fockers was pretty good.)
Honestly DOGE was just a distraction.
www.cbsnews.com
Despite Trump's promised cuts, U.S. spent more than $200 billion more in first 100 days than last year
Despite President Trump's promise of cuts, the federal government has spent more than $200 billion more in his first 100 days than the same time period last year.
www.cbsnews.com
I think it's about what 100% of the focus of the military should be rather than a bunch of silliness that's infected the US military in recent years.
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