BREAKING Tua head injury

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CTE doctor says Tua should retire.
The scary part is that he may be right...and very few will want to listen to his advice. Tua has been called a "warrior" -- and he may be his own worst enemy. His history with injury has not been good...
 
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And by the mid to late 60's, you saw the advent of 2 platoon football and players no longer playing both ways moving forward. That, compounded by the Supplements (Illegal and legal) that became part of the everyday diet and workout regimen from the 70s onward, its no wonder we are seeing the Man Mountains on both sides of the ball these days.
 

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Eventually there will be a reckoning if the NFL continues to allow money (rather than player well-being) to drive these decisions.

Like it or not, the NFL (in particular) is full of borderline sociopaths who care more about the 'product' (read: the money) than the 'worker'.
Isn't that the core definition of Capitalism? Not being snarky, but that's literally how our country's economic system is designed.
 
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And by the mid to late 60's, you saw the advent of 2 platoon football and players no longer playing both ways moving forward. That, compounded by the Supplements (Illegal and legal) that became part of the everyday diet and workout regimen from the 70s onward, its no wonder we are seeing the Man Mountains on both sides of the ball these days.
Also, the increase in the players' salaries allowed players to dedicate their entire life to the game, and this is for all professional sports. There is a documentary on Netflix about Nolan Ryan and in it, you learn that early in Nolan's career, he worked at a "real job" after baseball season because he didn't make enough to support his family. That was true for most professional athletes before the salaries increased so much.
 

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Sure, NFL athletes are pawns for the rich to get richer, but at least the athletes are getting rich too.

I mean, I want these guys to be safe and protected, but football is a violent sport and everyone who signs up from youth league to the NFL goes in for the glory, fame and money knowing they could also get hurt, sometimes very badly!
 

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Sure, NFL athletes are pawns for the rich to get richer, but at least the athletes are getting rich too.

I mean, I want these guys to be safe and protected, but football is a violent sport and everyone who signs up from youth league to the NFL goes in for the glory, fame and money knowing they could also get hurt, sometimes very badly!
Completely agree, that is why I give the biggest eye roll known to mankind when professional athletes poor mouth about how much the owners make and how "short-changed" they are when being "short-changed" still means they are millionaires, like MULTI-MULTI millionaires.
 

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Completely agree, that is why I give the biggest eye roll known to mankind when professional athletes poor mouth about how much the owners make and how "short-changed" they are when being "short-changed" still means they are millionaires, like MULTI-MULTI millionaires.
Right. It's hard not to be a little cynical and even jealous that a young man can be that rich just because God blessed them with some incredible natural talents. I know they work hard to make those talents even more coveted by colleges and NFL executives, but most of the highest-paid NFL stars just won the gene pool lottery!
 

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The scary part is that he may be right...and very few will want to listen to his advice. Tua has been called a "warrior" -- and he may be his own worst enemy. His history with injury has not been good...
I feel like we are allowing the visual of what happened with Tua to color the opinions of his future. When in reality players suffer similar or worse and we never see it... is he going to call for all of those guys to retire as well?

It's not that I can disagree with him on his opinion. Yeah, probably the best decision Tua could make would be to never suit up again. I just arrive at that conclusion with or without what occurred in his last game. It is the inherent nature of this sport to produce head trauma.

EDITED: Padreuf, I didn't mean to quote your post, but the post with the actual article. Just clarifying that I'm not responding to your post but just to this whole conversation in general.
 

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Joe Burrow's take on head injuries in the NFL.



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He is correct on multiple fronts with his statements. It is a gamble that they are willing to take due to the rewards. Of course, I also think many of them would do it even if the rewards weren't quite as grand just because they love the game. It's like the people who acted like college athletes had it tough before NIL deals came about. First, I still think they had it made with the scholarships, books, tuition, training, coaching, publicity, health care, clothing, etc., but there are kids all over the country who are willing to walk on and take all of the same risks without receiving any of the perks. Some people just love the games.
 

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Isn't that the core definition of Capitalism? Not being snarky, but that's literally how our country's economic system is designed.
That's a discussion for non-sports, but in short, most businesses operate under rules that have been put in place to protect the worker's health and well-being. Any further posts regarding this aspect of the discussion will be moved as we have a ban on political discussions on the football forum.

The NFL only pretends to care about these rules.
 

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Sure, NFL athletes are pawns for the rich to get richer, but at least the athletes are getting rich too.

I mean, I want these guys to be safe and protected, but football is a violent sport and everyone who signs up from youth league to the NFL goes in for the glory, fame and money knowing they could also get hurt, sometimes very badly!
No one is denying that it's violent and injuries are simply part of the game. We all accept that.

But when someone suffers literal brain damage (concussion), the protocols are supposed to be in place to keep them out of harm's way so the brain can heal. When those rules are ignored player safety is pointlessly in danger.

We cannot avoid concussions, but we can protect those with them until it's safe for them to participate again.
 
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No one is denying that it's violent and injuries are simply part of the game. We all accept that.

But when someone suffers literal brain damage (concussion), the protocols are supposed to be in place to keep them out of harm's way so the brain can heal. When those rules are ignored player safety is pointlessly in danger.

We cannot avoid concussions, but we can protect those with them until it's safe for them to participate again.
The good thing is, the independent physician who was responsible for doing the assessment was fired. Apparently, after the NFLPA/NFL reviewed his work he made "several" mistakes in the protocol and was immediately fired. I hope that is really what happened and the guy wasn't used as a sacrificial lamb simply to appease the court of public opinion.
 

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Completely agree, that is why I give the biggest eye roll known to mankind when professional athletes poor mouth about how much the owners make and how "short-changed" they are when being "short-changed" still means they are millionaires, like MULTI-MULTI millionaires.
And for most of them their other marketable skills would have them taking your order at McDonalds.
 
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Perhaps its maturity on my part, but as I get older I find myself not interested in seeing the violent parts of the game, and more attracted to the art and finesse of the game
I love the "chess match" nature of the game...not the violence.

BTW, here is a summary of Tua's contract...he ought to seriously think about staying out until fully healthy - or walking away:
Current Contract
Tua Tagovailoa signed a 4 year, $30,275,438 contract with the Miami Dolphins, including a $19,578,500 signing bonus, $30,275,438 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $7,568,860. In 2022, Tagovailoa will earn a base salary of $895,000 and a roster bonus of $2,467,313, while carrying a cap hit of $8,256,938 and a dead cap value of $17,890,032.
 

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Also, the increase in the players' salaries allowed players to dedicate their entire life to the game, and this is for all professional sports. There is a documentary on Netflix about Nolan Ryan and in it, you learn that early in Nolan's career, he worked at a "real job" after baseball season because he didn't make enough to support his family. That was true for most professional athletes before the salaries increased so much.
Yep. There has to be a middle ground. Good enough pay for all so they aren' too tempted by gamblers (Black Sox). Not so much money that they're out of touch. Man, do I sound like a socialist.
 
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