Wanted to give my take on the stadium plan...

JessN

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I thought about making this a front-page op-ed but I'm neck-deep in previews at the moment and didn't want to disrupt the flow of content on the front page.

These are just my thoughts, not those of ownership, management, the moderation team and certainly not UA.

On the Coleman renovation plans, I'm for those. No further analysis needed.

On the Bryant-Denny plans, I'm not a fan.

Basically, the issues with the stadium boil down to two things...

1) How much corporate money can you capture between now and when the bill is paid off, and how much you can expect to retain after Saban leaves, and ...

2) What damage there's going to be within the Tide Pride structure once people understand what's actually about to happen.

I'm going to explain #2 first, particularly because reading other boards yesterday, we had people who couldn't grasp that when you take 5k seats out of premium Tide Pride areas and move them into the lower bowl, you're then going to have to displace 5k people from those seats into even lower areas, then 5k from the next tier, etc. The only ways to mitigate that are (a) some of those 5k pony up $40k to stay in their current tier (I would be surprised if more than a dozen people actually do that, given what they pay now) or (b) give up their tickets altogether and stay home. You can't reduce overall stadium capacity by several thousand and folks not get forced out, it's basic math.

At the moment, feedback is overwhelmingly positive for the changes, except for those who will be immediately displaced. I'd say it's likely many of those giving positive feedback to media surveys aren't season ticket holders, or they haven't yet thought of how forced displacement is going to trickle down to everyone from the freshly eliminated tier downward. Because now, every tier under the one you eliminated is also under pressure to pay more to stay unaffected.

As for #1, that's the really tricky one. Corporate dollars are finicky and Tuscaloosa is a small town, all things considered, so you can't just fall back on your locals if/when future demand turns down. Granted there will be plenty of Birmingham, Huntsville and Mobile clientele to use boxes every year but if the cost of boxes keeps going up and the on-field product turns down, companies without true local ownership find it harder to justify the expense. This has interplay with the general trend of lower general attendance, as you eventually reach a point where attending games isn't seen as a desirable perk.

The trick, with #1, is to get your debt paid off while the demand window is still up, and then annuitize the revenue going forward; so long as the intake exceeds maintenance and upkeep, there's no financial harm. But if this turns into a situation where you still have debt on the books and then you want to make ANOTHER change in 10 years, that's a problem. Because that's not what a university is for.

Saban becomes both the catalyst and the biggest risk; I don't care who you hire after he's gone -- Dabo, Jimbo, Pruitt, Kirby, Muschamp, the ghost of Bryant, my dog or a trained chimp -- the likelihood Alabama will continue to enjoy the level of success it has now is almost nil. So if that downturn comes and your low-loyalty/high-dollar clients leave, you're left with people that kept their season tickets throughout the DuBose and Shula years who you then forced out (or down a tier or two) back when times were at their best.

In my opinion, a reduction in capacity was probably inevitable, but is coming too soon, with quite a bit of risk to goodwill. Once the full scope of the plan starts to be felt outside of just the people sitting in U1/U2 West, that's going to lead to a less-positive outlook from those people who *actually attend games* and are donors, which is the perspective I care the most about. I won't say to the exclusion of all other viewpoints, but certainly people who don't attend games now have far less skin in the game.
 

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The trick, with #1, is to get your debt paid off while the demand window is still up, and then annuitize the revenue going forward; so long as the intake exceeds maintenance and upkeep, there's no financial harm. But if this turns into a situation where you still have debt on the books and then you want to make ANOTHER change in 10 years, that's a problem. Because that's not what a university is for.
Thanks for the thoughts, Jess.

I think the key is what you mentioned here. Do you suppose that university officials have had candid conversations with Saban about the longevity of his career? It's not something he'll answer straight up for obvious reasons but to his employers with all that's at stake - maybe?

Saban is the factor. If he stays even another 5 years with the kind of success he has had and they aggressively pursue the deficit from the renovations it may be enough.
 

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I would certainly hope that the debt is attacked aggressively and paid off as soon as possible. "Make hay while the sun shines" as my dad would have said. As for the capacity of the stadium, I understand the concern there and my initial thought was that reducing seats would be an immediate shock to some. I can't offer a criticism or any high-fives to that part of the plan, because I don't attend games, and I probably won't be in the future. Unless I get moved out of my den and from in front of my TV, I'm good. For those who are impacted though, I am not without sympathy. Success can be expensive. I hope is all works out positively.
 

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I think the problem is that Alabama needed to get ahead of this and fast because the cash cow isn't going to be there forever. I think the NFL found that smaller stadiums with better anemities, retro looks, and etc lose less money than behemoths like Cowboys Stadium and Fed Ex field. More folks are watching games on their HD tv than actually booking hotels and spending money in games. The age of the 100k being a plus is about dead. I think Auburn probably did one of the smartest things in investing in a jumbotron over joining the 100k club.
 

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With regard to the debt, I would hope there is a strategic marketing plan to strike while the proverbial iron is hot. We have a quarterback (in Tua) and a group of now sophomores that have the potential to win multiple NC's (not counting the one last season) before they leave. Tua is already being pushed by the pundits for the Heisman and currently has the best odds according to Vegas to win it. Front load this 10 year project with as much money as they can put in the coffers. Because as Jesse mentioned, the first sign of a downturn and the corporate money goes like a vapor.
 

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Didn't GB say they've already got $143 million of the $600 pledged? By the time construction starts after next season, surely they have at least a third or more pledged.
 

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Didn't GB say they've already got $143 million of the $600 pledged? By the time construction starts after next season, surely they have at least a third or more pledged.
Plus, I wonder how much of the profit from the football program will go towards this, if any. I think I read that Alabama football had something like $45 million in profit last year. Extrapolate that over 10 years and the entire $600 million could almost be covered from football profit. Shouldn't really be any debt to speak of after fundraising..
 

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I suspect that the money for the changes to BDS is already in hand. The timeline suggests that they will require additional fund raising to pay for the work on your BB arena. But, seriously, if Alabama can't raise $600M in 7 years to pay for this stuff, I will eat my hat.
 

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modern college football economics is beyond me. But it didn't make sense to me reducing seating for "Jumbotrons". Just saying.....
They're not losing any revenue from the reduced seating. They will spread it out over the remaining seats and suites. Just out of my accounting curiosity. I would like to know what the average revenue per year/game was for those roughly 5,000 or so seats being removed over the last three, five and ten year time frames.
 
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I agree with the comments about BDS so I won't repeat what has already been said. I'm disappointed in the Coleman reno for a couple of reasons. One, it is going to start until 2021-22 which is WAY too long to push that out. It should be done immediately IMHO. Two, I would have preferred a new arena and for what we're spending I'm expecting to be underwhelmed in the end result primarily because of the air hanger roof/ceiling and reduced capacity. I know the fans will be closer to the action but I'm concerned the atmosphere won't change that much because of the high rounded ceiling will still deaden the crowd noise. I'm not an acoustical engineer so I may be completely wrong but the appearance, especially the exterior, is still going to be a major disappointment even if the overall atmosphere is improved somewhat.
 

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I'm one of those in U2 that will be displaced. Simply can't afford the one time donation of $10,000 and annual fee of $3,500 per seat that my current seats will apparently cost in the future. Not really mad as I've had a really good deal on my seats that I've had since the inception of Tide Pride. Just curious if I'll end up with seats elsewhere and if so, where.

Also, I wonder if the new tax law will dampen the market since the annual fee is no longer deductible for charitable contributions and tickets cannot be expensed as entertainment.
 

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I'm one of those in U2 that will be displaced. Simply can't afford the one time donation of $10,000 and annual fee of $3,500 per seat that my current seats will apparently cost in the future. Not really mad as I've had a really good deal on my seats that I've had since the inception of Tide Pride. Just curious if I'll end up with seats elsewhere and if so, where.

Also, I wonder if the new tax law will dampen the market since the annual fee is no longer deductible for charitable contributions and tickets cannot be expensed as entertainment.
Have you been officially told that you will have to pay that much more to keep your seats?
 

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I have season tickets on U-1.... and I am pretty nervous about what kind of price increase might be coming. I was told about the plan a few month ago and they supposedly wanted my suggestions. I told them that I liked my seats and did not want to have to pay more into Tide Pride. I could tell the decisions had already been made.
 

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Thanks for the thoughts, Jess.

I think the key is what you mentioned here. Do you suppose that university officials have had candid conversations with Saban about the longevity of his career? It's not something he'll answer straight up for obvious reasons but to his employers with all that's at stake - maybe?

Saban is the factor. If he stays even another 5 years with the kind of success he has had and they aggressively pursue the deficit from the renovations it may be enough.
I've long said I expect Saban to stay here until he's 70 (he'll turn that in 2022) before he even thinks of retiring, unless something unforeseen happens in regards to family health and/or his wife's preference that he spend more time with the grands. I would not be surprised to see him remain the coach through age 75. I would be fairly surprised to see it go any further than that.

The risk I'm mostly talking about with him leaving is say, he leaves in 10 years -- well, by that time Dabo is no longer a young pup, and would have spent far more of his professional life at Clemson than anywhere else, and Clemson would just as likely be "Mama" at that point as Alabama would be. Honestly if Saban stays more than the next 5 years, I think Dabo's out. If Saban leaves in 5 years, Dabo comes in at age 53; Saban was 56 when he took over here. Ergo, anything post-five years out, it will be someone in Jeremy Pruitt's general age range.

So let's say it's Pruitt, and he gets here and flops for whatever reason. At the level Alabama is monetizing home football games at the moment, I can easily see a major "correction" take place in regards to attendance and Tide Pride contributions in general.

What I think happened here is the school made this decision without a lot of consideration for downside risk management. Maybe the school did it because Saban walked into Byrne's office and said, "Here's what I want, and I want it posthaste," and Byrne delivered without any kind of objections.
 

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