Bayou, I agree. McElroy will take our offense to a higher level. I say that because of his ability to see the entire field, meaning he will be very successful in finding his second and third receivers. The OL will need to jell, but I expect that from our excellent coaching staff. This offense is going to be fun to watch.
What happens if the offense can't score?
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I can tell.
He did recruit them...and I have never shied away from saying or typing Coach Saban's name. I wore his avatar for months on here...and in fact, had no problem mentioning him by name in all 3 of my posts in this thread, including this one and the one you're mocking. Pay attention, please. Just because someone offers an opposing point of view doesn't mean I don't think Alabama will suck this season. Why don't you attack the author of the thread for daring to suggest Alabama may struggle with a green QB and OLine?Just saying, the post I referred to acted as though Saban worked first hand with the development of the LSU QBs when he was here...and he didn't. The people on here that truly appreciate an opposing point of view chimed right in without any sarcasm laden responses...and they knew what I meant...and they knew I was right about that fact. Saban was responsible for the beast that was LSU defense in the early 2000s...but the offense was generally rather bland. It didn't have to be prolific for them to be successful...and as long as Alabama has a stingy Sabanesque defense, Alabama won't need a prolific O to be successful either.
I can tell.
Just saying, the post I referred to acted as though Saban worked first hand with the development of the LSU QBs when he was here...and he didn't. The people on here that truly appreciate an opposing point of view chimed right in without any sarcasm laden responses...and they knew what I meant...and they knew I was right about that fact. Saban was responsible for the beast that was LSU defense in the early 2000s...but the offense was generally rather bland. It didn't have to be prolific for them to be successful...and as long as Alabama has a stingy Sabanesque defense, Alabama won't need a prolific O to be successful either.
You didn't quote the post you were referring to but I believe it was this one:
Notice this person did not, as you say, act like Saban worked first hand with the QBs.
Second, you seem to be taking the viewpoints of the few and attributing them to all of us. Just because some think the O will be "more open" doesn't mean we all have that point of view. I think most think the passing game will be improved, while the run game may take a step back (at least at first with the loss of AS and the new line trying to gel). Sure Saban is not known for having wide open, sling it all over the field, rack up 50 points offenses, but you don't necessarily have to have an Oklahoma or Florida offense to be considered as a good offensive team. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, but you seem to suggest that because you find CNS's O's "bland" that means they aren't very good, so the great CNS D will have to carry the team. I think we had a good O last season, and I will be more than satisfied with an O that scores between 30 and 40 points per game again this season. To me, that is a good offense and just because it isn't "more open", as you say it won't be, doesn't mean it can't be a good O that beats some good teams. JOMO
Minus the last 4 games of 07 and the Sugar Bowl, Alabama's offense has been far more prolific than anything we touted in the Shula era. Is it a meat-n-tadders offense? Sure, but it's generally gotten the job done and we've been well prepped each week for the nuances of our opponents D. That is a far cry from what we've seen here.
I think saying that Saban ran a patented bland offense at LSU sells him short. He simply played to the talent. They went vertical with Davey and Reed, they pounded the rock with Mauck and the three-headed backfield. The thing I've noticed with Saban from his LSU and UA tenures is that he generally is hands-off on the offense, he gives the OC a general philosophy and lets them gameplan. He wants TOP from the offense, that makes his aggressive defense more lethal. The less they're on the field, the fewer plays they run, the less adjustments the opponent can make to looks and blitz packages.
Was LSU mores open on offense post-Saban? Sure Les was a more offensive minded coach from his Okie State days...but the younger offense talent that Saban was grooming came into bloom in Les' years too. I imagine Alabama in 2010 is going to be a prolific offense in it's own right, regardless of the head coach. Junior year Julio with a Senior QB and a veteran OL that has three or more tailbacks to tote the rock...that is going to be a show and Saban will allow it to shine if he thinks they can put up points.
I think saying that Saban ran a patented bland offense at LSU sells him short. He simply played to the talent. They went vertical with Davey and Reed, they pounded the rock with Mauck and the three-headed backfield. The thing I've noticed with Saban from his LSU and UA tenures is that he generally is hands-off on the offense, he gives the OC a general philosophy and lets them gameplan. He wants TOP from the offense, that makes his aggressive defense more lethal. The less they're on the field, the fewer plays they run, the less adjustments the opponent can make to looks and blitz packages.
Was LSU mores open on offense post-Saban? Sure Les was a more offensive minded coach from his Okie State days...but the younger offense talent that Saban was grooming came into bloom in Les' years too. I imagine Alabama in 2010 is going to be a prolific offense in it's own right, regardless of the head coach. Junior year Julio with a Senior QB and a veteran OL that has three or more tailbacks to tote the rock...that is going to be a show and Saban will allow it to shine if he thinks they can put up points.
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This concept worked dang good for FSU during their 14-15 year streak of finishing in the top 5 in the nation. Looks like Coach Saban is gonna do the same thing when you look at all the serious QB talent he's stockpiling.
I think the combination of Coach Mac's offense and Coach Saban's defense will prove to be perfect complements to each other. While we'll never be one of those pitch-and-catch outfits under Coach Mac, (Coach Saban wouldn't allow it anyway) I think his style of using all his weapons and spreading it around will really be a test for the DCs we face. Not only is it a time tested style of offense, it will also be implemented by some seriously talented players. And, it imposes a physical toll on rival defenses, which is Bama football. :BigA:
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I agree. I'm not as worried about Ole Miss as some other folks. Yes, they are talented and yes, they have one of the best QB's in the league. But historically, Houston Nutt thrives as a darkhorse and flounders as a favorite. When much is expected he delivers little; when little is expected he delivers much.
They will do some damage (probably destroying Arkansas and Auburn), but I don't see them going all the way to Atlanta.
1. Our experienced, nationally ranked, ball hungry defense will put our offense in good field position often enough to help the cause. Include special teams and defensive touchdowns and there are all kinds of ways to dent the scoreboard.
2. We are a physical team. Power run game, between the tackles... this gets it done in the red zone. No gadgetry, no frills, just punch 'em in the mouth and put it in the end zone. The days of floundering are gone - we will all see a tougher, more focused team this year. The Crimson Tide is on the rise.
3. There is a killer instinct present in the team now that wasn't there 3+ years ago when the offense would look so woeful. I believe our guys can score by finesse, the big play, or simply wearing down the other team (on both sides of the ball).
Ingram has proven himself around the goal line, Julio is a long, ridiculous touchdown waiting to happen, and Arenas can flip the momentum with a single return. These guys are winners and will show well for themselves this Fall, IMO.
If we still can't score then we are gonna be winning a lot of 6-3 and 7-0 type games. It's still a W. :tongue: Besides, I'll take a great defense any Saturday of the year. The offense will come around.
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2. We are a physical team. Power run game, between the tackles... this gets it done in the red zone. No gadgetry, no frills, just punch 'em in the mouth and put it in the end zone. The days of floundering are gone - we will all see a tougher, more focused team this year. The Crimson Tide is on the rise.
3. There is a killer instinct present in the team now that wasn't there 3+ years ago when the offense would look so woeful. I believe our guys can score by finesse, the big play, or simply wearing down the other team (on both sides of the ball).
Ingram has proven himself around the goal line, Julio is a long, ridiculous touchdown waiting to happen, and Arenas can flip the momentum with a single return. These guys are winners and will show well for themselves this Fall, IMO.
If we still can't score then we are gonna be winning a lot of 6-3 and 7-0 type games. It's still a W. :tongue: Besides, I'll take a great defense any Saturday of the year. The offense will come around.
RTR
Fish, as pointed out above I never said Saban worked with the qb's. Just pointing out in general that the success you spoke of came largly under our current head coach. I was just ribbing you a little without stepping over the line into trash talk. Apparently it worked : ) I have for years enjoyed your post and I know you are one of the better rival posters we have and would never want to make you mad, just aggrevate you a little now and then. I have some great friends and a cousin that went to Auburn and we do that to each other. Tease a little, but never take it to far. I was just in a mood yesterday to pester you a little. Didn't mean anything personal by it. If anything consider it me treating you like friends and family.
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In 2009 BAMA will...
- Throw the ball more using screens, slants, and intermediate to deep patterns.
- Not be as much of a straight ahead power team, you will see more pitches and misdirection.
- Spread the field to run.
- Show more looks on D.
- Defend Spread teams differently
- Play the backups more if the opportunity arises.
- Throw the ball more using screens, slants, and intermediate to deep patterns.
- Not be as much of a straight ahead power team, you will see more pitches and misdirection.
- Spread the field to run.
- Show more looks on D.
- Defend Spread teams differently
- Play the backups more if the opportunity arises.
I don't know how it's possible, but yes...you are misinterpreting my point if that's what you come up with. I flat out said pretty much exactly what you said. The 'O' doesn't have to be great for Bama to be a great team, as long as the defense is "Sabanesque". Never did I say the 'O' under Coach Saban was bad...just said it was bland. And for what it's worth, sometimes it WAS bad while he was at LSU. But when it was decent, LSU thrived, because the defense was almost always stout. I also said something to the affect that the Bama 'O' last season was plenty good.
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And for what it's worth, I don't have enough multi quote capabilities, so you'll have to go check for yourself. Yes, I was referring to D4B's post that you quoted. Now go see the post HE quoted when he posted that, and you'll understand that it DEFINITELY implies that Saban worked first hand with the QBs. For what it's worth, he was quoting Red 55's post.
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Fourteen times (14) Nick Saban's LSU team scored over 40 points in a game, five (5) of those were over 50 points. His first game as LSU's head coach the score was LSU 58, Western Carolina 0.
I am not saying LSUs offense was BAD under Saban. I just said it wasn't prolific. You know as well as I do that most of those were against mediocre at best teams, and in fact, some against sub mediocre teams. (See Western Carolina) And also, it has been agreed that when Rohan Davey was throwing for 500 yds/game...literally...yes, it was fairly prolific. However, those offensive numbers were destroyed in '07. Point is, I am AGREEING that it is not necessary for the Bama offense to be prolific for them to be successful. I do not know how else to say it. I never said it WOULDN'T be prolific this season, although I doubt it will. I have stated several times that last season, Bama's offense was more than sufficient. The defense is where it's at. If you don't know that, then you don't know your own coach. But you DO know that...you guys just can't help but disagree with someone who doesn't end every post with "RTR".
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Scoring over 40 points 14 times in 5 years does not make the offense prolific. There are at least 3 games/year, so 15 all total, that we SHOULD have scored 40+. They were against the Western Carolinas and UABs
of the world. That same year, we scored 10 against U friggin AB, and 3 against Arky.
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Ok, I said I was kidding you buy I never expressed or implied that CNS worked directly with the qb's. I implied that the success that Red was bragging about came under head coach Nick Saban. So while I will admit I was just ribbing Red and yourself, I won't be misquoted. I said as head coach he was involved with the psychological development of the players and how they were pushed and brought along because as the head coach he decides who plays. He decides who to praise during and after practice. I never once implied Saban was out there coaching qb's and working on their throwing motion. Don't put words in my mouth or I will bite your hand : )
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I am not saying LSUs offense was BAD under Saban. I just said it wasn't prolific. You know as well as I do that most of those were against mediocre at best teams, and in fact, some against sub mediocre teams. (See Western Carolina) And also, it has been agreed that when Rohan Davey was throwing for 500 yds/game...literally...yes, it was fairly prolific. However, those offensive numbers were destroyed in '07. Point is, I am AGREEING that it is not necessary for the Bama offense to be prolific for them to be successful. I do not know how else to say it. I never said it WOULDN'T be prolific this season, although I doubt it will. I have stated several times that last season, Bama's offense was more than sufficient. The defense is where it's at. If you don't know that, then you don't know your own coach. But you DO know that...you guys just can't help but disagree with someone who doesn't end every post with "RTR".
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Scoring over 40 points 14 times in 5 years does not make the offense prolific. There are at least 3 games/year, so 15 all total, that we SHOULD have scored 40+. They were against the Western Carolinas and UABs
And a few of those high scores came against 8-4 MSU and 9-4 Arkansas. I don't think the number is prolific either I was just making conversation saying it happens. You have to realize Alabama hasn't been used to scoring more than a couple of scores per game after September for a while
Oh one more thing, you forgot to type RTR at the end of your post.
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I know I'm ready to get the party started! I can't wait to see the 09 team in action! :BigA:
Given a choice between a Nick Saban/Jimbo Fisher or a Nick Saban/Jim McElwain combo...................I'll take the later.
Maybe I am prejudiced...........but I think that McElwain is a much better OC.
Maybe I am prejudiced...........but I think that McElwain is a much better OC.
Not sure why everyone is doubting G Mc but if you watch him in the few games he has played and in all of the practices when was the last time we had a QB that actually checked down to other WR's or Backs??? It has been 3 years or more..............
I love that fact GM is not locking onto JJ like other people did and make defenses play ALL of our WR's not just 1........ I am more worried about the OL giving him time to go through his reads and if that happens we will be very very dangerous on offense......
I love that fact GM is not locking onto JJ like other people did and make defenses play ALL of our WR's not just 1........ I am more worried about the OL giving him time to go through his reads and if that happens we will be very very dangerous on offense......
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