Who was it in the Compliance Dept. that didn't know the rules concerning practice time for the newbies during bowl preparation? That guy might be a good place to start swinging the axe.
Pinpointing responsibility...
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This has caused CNS a problem. CNS will cause a solution. Dr. Witt will do Dr. Witt stuff but CNS will be the lead dog in this hunt. Bet it.
Exactly . The same group of clowns have been bouncing around the AD for the vast majority of the past 30 years :mad2:
Earle is right. Our ENTIRE athletic dept needs to be totally reorganized and infused with new blood. For the most part, did you know that the exact same people that work in that dept were ALSO around when we got in trouble in '95 and '00? Well, guess what--just about all of them--Finus Gaston, Jon Dever, Kevin Almond, etc...---ARE STILL THERE. Hello? If these gentlemen had jobs in the private sector like most of the rest of us where we're held responsible for results then they would have been fired a long time ago. I've met some of these folks and I hate to say it but some of them are some of the most arrogant people that I have ever been around. They've got relationships with trustee members in some cases and thus seem to think they are accountable to no one. They have carved out their little fiefdoms and the last thing they want is for the status quo to go away, and I think some of think that they actually have jobs for life because of their length of tenure, but regardless of their job performance.
My hope is that as Nick really begins to settle in here he will use some of the 'capital' that he has and his growing influence over the program to gradually weed these dinosaurs out and bring in competent, responsible people with integrity that will manage our program within the rules. This group has demonstrated time and again that they cannot be entrusted with that responsibility.
My hope is that as Nick really begins to settle in here he will use some of the 'capital' that he has and his growing influence over the program to gradually weed these dinosaurs out and bring in competent, responsible people with integrity that will manage our program within the rules. This group has demonstrated time and again that they cannot be entrusted with that responsibility.
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I think all of them should be given their walking papers with no severance pay. From Witt on down to the lowest clerk.
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Yeah, sorry, I really didn't mean to imply I thought that's what you meant. Just that I think a lot of people think everyone should be axed, no questions asked (as has since been expressed in this thread).
True enough.
I don't mean to come off as harsh, but if you haven't heard of Jon Dever, Kevin Almond, or Teresa Shreve, you really have not been paying close attention to the investigation. Dever and Shreve were publicly reprimanded over this almost 18 months ago...
Earle has not outed anyone here, not even remotely close. Mentioning those three in the textbook scandal is about as much "news" as is mentioning that Julio Jones is signing with Alabama.
The 'Real World' should not operate like AIG or GM. :mad2:
Where I come from CEOs and Supervisors are supposed to be held accountable for anything/everything that happens.
Since we know a couple of these employees have been screwing up for years; its time to apply the Baseball rule. "Three Strikes and your out" . They have already shown us how they operate. Now let's get someone in there who will follow the rules, and insist that everyone else does also...
The 'New people' should each be given one of the plaques that say
"The Buck Stops Here".
The A.D. and President need to step-up and take full control of our program. OR They may be gone for not 'Taking Care of Business'.
(Elvis, if you are out there I'm sorry I borrowed your line.)
(Thank you, Thank you very much...)
Where I come from CEOs and Supervisors are supposed to be held accountable for anything/everything that happens.
Since we know a couple of these employees have been screwing up for years; its time to apply the Baseball rule. "Three Strikes and your out" . They have already shown us how they operate. Now let's get someone in there who will follow the rules, and insist that everyone else does also...
The 'New people' should each be given one of the plaques that say
"The Buck Stops Here".
The A.D. and President need to step-up and take full control of our program. OR They may be gone for not 'Taking Care of Business'.
(Elvis, if you are out there I'm sorry I borrowed your line.)
(Thank you, Thank you very much...)
I have a question......Is there ANY advantage to keeping these three on the payroll? :conf3:
Let's see...they're on a first name basis with the NCAA staff....
They are fully aware of all the past problems, because they were there...
The economy is tough and they keep lawyers employed...
Maybe we can hire USC's or Notre Dame's compliance staff.
Get better or get better at it. We never get away with anything. One thing we are going to be able to do at the end is look them all in the eye and say "we've done our time, and paid our debt". Then knock 'em over backwards on the football field.
Cause it's only a game, right?
I didn't pay attention,
No need too because I knew the NCAA would slap us because we had already admitted guilt with the suspensions. Thanks for releasing the names though. In the real world they lose their jobs but in Tuscaloosa they will probably get a promotion and raise. Its been past time that Mal Moore has seen his better days as AD. I don't care if it didn't involve the AD but it did have a relation to the AD and he should have known.
I'm familiar with the names and God knows the situations but just to refresh,,,,,,, (A)policy and procedure have changed (B)no terminations in the AD department and (C) no reassignments to date. Is this correct? IMHO Coach Moore has done his best work in the last five years but should look for a good stopping point now.
OK, let's size the problem accurately, without a lot of sportswriter arithmetic and hyperbole.
201 athletes didn't do something wrong. Athletes received more books than they should have 201 times over four years. The significant majority of those incidents were unintentional -- generally receiving optional books and materials in addition to the required ones that the NCAA scholarship rules allow. Plus, some received the extra books more than once, so it wasn't 201 different athletes.
Additionally, it's not 201 out of 490. The 201 number was accumulated over several years whereas the 490 figure is at any one time. Apples and oranges.
All that said, a few did do something flat-out wrong. I haven't seen this written, but I will: I'm particularly disappointed in Antoine Caldwell and Glenn Coffee. Caldwell was a leader, and leaders just don't do that. Coffee wrapped himself in religion, and did this. In both cases, it's not a bad moment -- this happened over a period of months, with plenty of time to think better of poor judgment and fix it. When you voluntarily assume the mantle of leadership or religion, you hold yourself to a higher standard. Neither did. That's not what leaders or men of God do.
Added to some intentional wrongdoers is the fact that, intentional or not, we had 200 incidents over four years. Clearly, that's a lack of control and monitoring of the system. There has to be accountability. Let a well-chosen head or two in the Athletic Department roll over this, and you'll see who's left step up or step out on their own.
No matter how you cut it, this happened too many times over too long a period of time to ignore. Especially given our history, we have to be purer than Caesar's wife. There have to be serious personnel consequences, not just love taps on the wrist.
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