Man 99.9% Sure He Found Noah's Ark

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Not sure how this can be "proven". Noah's Ark "discoveries" have become a cottage industry, and are still labeled as leaps of faith.

A press release does not an archeological find make.

Since many ancient cultures shared the flood myth, which one would this "discovery" validate? Noah's, Gilgamesh? the Epic of Atrahasis? Deucalion in Greek mythology? Utnapishtim in Mesopatamian mythology?
 
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Not sure how this can be "proven". Noah's Ark "discoveries" have become a cottage industry, and are still labeled as leaps of faith.

A press release does not an archeological find make.

Since many ancient cultures shared the flood myth, which one would this "discovery" validate? Noah's, Gilgamesh? the Epic of Atrahasis? Deucalion in Greek mythology? Utnapishtim in Mesopatamian mythology?
Most cultures do have some form of flood account. Since it was a reality, this would be expected. This includes many peoples from Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, Pacific Islands, Central America, South America and North America (I've seen 81 different versions from North America alone. e.g., Choctaw, Chippewa, Pawnee, Eskimo, Cherokee, Yakima, Hopi, etc.) Most have some similiarities to the actual account, though they diverge significantly as they became corrupted over the centuries; often by their animism which is frequently the belief of indigenous peoples.

Here is the Choctaw version:
"A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird and blessed the bluish one."
The Yakima version:
In early times, many people had gone to war with other tribes; even medicine men had killed people. But there were still some good people. One of the good men heard from the Land Above that a big water was coming. He told the other good people, and they decided they would make a dugout boat from the largest cedar they could find. Soon after the canoe was finished, the flood came, filling the valleys and covering the mountains. The bad people were drowned; the good people were saved in the boat. We don't know how long the flood stayed. The canoe came down where it was built and can still be seen on the east side of Toppenish Ridge. The earth will be destroyed by another flood if people do wrong a second time.
The structure was 450x75x30 with 3 decks. The same cubic space as 525 rail box cars.
 

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It does matter if the "stories", I say accounts or narratives, in the Bible are true. If not, can you believe the parts related to salvation from sin ? Or any other parts that have significance to you ?
IMO, God's grace transcends our ability to communicate it. The stories in the Bible are an attempt. Their "truth" doesn't matter, it is the underlying message that counts.
 

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It does matter if the "stories", I say accounts or narratives, in the Bible are true. If not, can you believe the parts related to salvation from sin ? Or any other parts that have significance to you ?
Not from my perspective. It seems to me that the stories could have been related to teach, not to demonstrate. They could all be "parables" for all we know.

In the end, I believe in Jesus. That is enough...
 

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I fully believe in the account of Noah and the ark. My belief is not what matters though. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic of reported "finds". I understand it was "pitched within and without with pitch" but still, 4200 years exposed to the elements would have done it in a long time ago. At least from what my feeble mind understands on how wood rots.
 

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I fully believe in the account of Noah and the ark. My belief is not what matters though. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic of reported "finds". I understand it was "pitched within and without with pitch" but still, 4200 years exposed to the elements would have done it in a long time ago. At least from what my feeble mind understands on how wood rots.
I believe they found it buried in glacial ice, which I would imagine would preserve it. Or at least slow down the decomposition.
 

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IMO, God's grace transcends our ability to communicate it. The stories in the Bible are an attempt. Their "truth" doesn't matter, it is the underlying message that counts.
I agree with you that the most important aspect of the accounts is usually the "underlying message". But the "truth" does matter since the Bible claims to be true. Otherwise, nothing it says can be trusted, which would reduce it to just another book.


Not from my perspective. It seems to me that the stories could have been related to teach, not to demonstrate. They could all be "parables" for all we know.

In the end, I believe in Jesus. That is enough...
Jesus claimed, by implication, that these "stories" were literal accounts in reference to creation, Adam and Eve, Abel, Noah and the flood, Abraham, David, Solomon, etc. As well He made more general statements about the Bible's veracity such as, "the Scriptures cannot be broken", etc. If Jesus Christ is indeed God, as He claimed, the Savior of sinners, He would know whether those accounts were true or simply parables; and since He claimed they were true they must be, or it would refute His integrity or omniscience and thus His Deity and His ability to save a sinner.
 

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Jesus claimed, by implication, that these "stories" were literal accounts in reference to creation, Adam and Eve, Abel, Noah and the flood, Abraham, David, Solomon, etc. As well He made more general statements about the Bible's veracity such as, "the Scriptures cannot be broken", etc. If Jesus Christ is indeed God, as He claimed, the Savior of sinners, He would know whether those accounts were true or simply parables; and since He claimed they were true they must be, or it would refute His integrity or omniscience and thus His Deity and His ability to save a sinner.
not saying you are wrong, i just see it a different way. just as i think that grace transcends our abilities to communicate, i find that also applies to my ability to understand and comprehend. i don't like to apply my understanding of "logic" to "faith". it sounds silly even when i type it, but i find that they can co-exist without too much worry. when i try to apply my "understanding" and "logic" to my "faith" i find too many rabbit holes and a tendency to make too many things want to fit in places of my own making (and i see this as a continual problem with mankind and not just me). i am at a place where i find comfort, some inspiration and hopefully not too much complacency.
 
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not saying you are wrong, i just see it a different way. just as i think that grace transcends our abilities to communicate, i find that also applies to my ability to understand and comprehend. i don't like to apply my understanding of "logic" to "faith". it sounds silly even when i type it, but i find that they can co-exist without too much worry. when i try to apply my "understanding" and "logic" to my "faith" i find too many rabbit holes and a tendency to make too many things want to fit in places of my own making (and i see this as a continual problem with mankind and not just me). i am at a place where i find comfort, some inspiration and hopefully not too much complacency.
As I said in my earlier post, there are numerous traditions that have a flood myth..even some that pre-date Noah's....so, if this is proven to be the vessel mentioned in those myths(which I find it hard to believe anyone can "prove" that), many traditions will find their beliefs validated.

But it is still a matter of faith.
 

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As I said in my earlier post, there are numerous traditions that have a flood myth..even some that pre-date Noah's....so, if this is proven to be the vessel mentioned in those myths(which I find it hard to believe anyone can "prove" that), many traditions will find their beliefs validated.

But it is still a matter of faith.
seems like these types of "findings" happen every 10 years or so.
 

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