Wait - he was drinking but below the legal level? Or is this just a straw man?
Drinking a beer while driving?
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Funny how the states that allow open containers have not seen this horror that you describe. :eek2:
Your entire argument makes it harder to keep the rest of society safe, and needlessly puts lives at risk so that a few people can have a beer on the way home.
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No. He was like three times over the legal limit I believe is what the article said.
Driver found guilty in Adenhart crash | gallo, adenhart, crash - News - The Orange County Register
Witnesses testified during a two-week trial before Toohey that Gallo got drunk on beers, tequila and sake during a seven-hour drinking binge in Covina with his stepbrother April 8, 2009.
Gallo, who had been warned about the dangers of drinking and driving when he pleaded guilty to driving under the influence in 2006, then got behind the wheel of his parents' Toyota Sienna minivan and drove off.
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My argument is an internet discussion. It isn't changing anything. We are just Bama fans talking politics.
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No where in this thread has anyone condoned drunk driving.
It is far more likely that a person who is driving drunk got drunk at home or at a bar than while cruising down the street with a beer in his hand.
Allowing people to drink a beer while driving is a whole lot less risky than letting people drive to bars to drink. Are we ready to shut down bars? I mean, if this is really about safety, that is a much, much greater risk - right?
And what about restaurants that serve alcohol? Ever seen the amount of alcohol that some people consume at dinner and then get behind the wheel? Crazy stuff. We need to pass laws that no longer allow the sale of alcohol at a venue from which a person might have to drive home, right?
How far are we willing to take this to be safe? Because venues that serve alcohol are much more dangerous than laws that allow a person to drink a can of beer on his way home from work.
Then I guess that I have a callous disregard for life.
I have never been moved by the "if it would save just one life" arguments. I would not even choose to save my own life, much less the life of a random person, if it meant a tyranny of laws for everyone else.
Statements like that are what stops pragmatic Libertarians from being taken seriously.
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Yah, we should just al give up all our individual liberties so we can all be safe, right?
I know neither drinking nor driving are in the BoR, so don't go there, but this sort of attitude - shrugging off the reduction of a persons freedom of choice due to what 'might' happen - is why we so many overbearing laws nowadays.
Just my 0.133 Yuan.
That is why I added the abortion analogy (even as a stretch). We can't hold ourselves, as a society, to such limits. We can't let one group's "moral certainties" determine law or limit freedom. We need to rely on science and evidence, not rhetoric or conjecture.
is it necessary for a group of guys to have a drink on the way to a ballgame? No. But I don't agree with laws that say they can't, especially if the driver is being responsible and not drinking.
I'm far more concerned about the dude who's ....ed at the world and has 10 Jack and Cokes at Chili's and then gets behind the wheel of a 2,500 lb weapon and tries to drive home cross-eyed.
I'm far more concerned about the dude who's ....ed at the world and has 10 Jack and Cokes at Chili's and then gets behind the wheel of a 2,500 lb weapon and tries to drive home cross-eyed.
Yep.
But in most states, even a passenger can't drink alcohol.
Yep. Those that will drink too much to safely drive will do so regardless of the laws - it's already illegal to do so.
For the record, I won't drive if I've had even one drink - while I know I'm well below the limit at that point, I'd have trouble living with myself I was in an accident that hurt someone as I'd never know if that extra x milliseconds of reaction time I had potentially lost might have changed the outcome. Just not worth it.
In the Commonwealth of Virginia, you can be busted for having five sealed beers in the passanger compartment of your car if they are in a six-pack. (i.e. one beer is missing).
It is considered an open container.
It is considered an open container.
And I repeat: This is a stupid argument. If the open container laws were abolished, that would lead to more casual drinking on the roads, logically followed by more DUIs, more DWIs, more deaths of innocent drivers, more deaths of innocent pedestrians, more for cops to look after, in some cases increased abuse of alcohol, etc, etc, etc. How is that EVER a good thing?
Oh, it's tyranny I'm proposing! Tyranny, I Say!
And I'm sure if your life or the lives of loved ones, through death or maiming, were altered by a reckless individual, that your opinion would stay the same.
I guess wiki is wrong (again). According to the article posted earlier in the thread, Virginia allows consumption od alcohol while the vehicle is in motion.
I's just tawking on a message bord. I not hurtin nobody. Don't matter no-how.
Inactivity. Flippant apathy. Yep, sums up our society regarding morals in a microcosm. And what a witty smiley. You're a comic GENIUS!
Yah, I've lost loved ones to reckless (drunk) drivers, and it still doesn't change my mind.
Do you really think open container laws are why some folks don't drink and drive? Seriously?
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