Drinking a beer while driving?

[disneybama]

I's just tawking on a message bord. I not hurtin nobody. Don't matter no-how.

Inactivity. Flippant apathy. Yep, sums up our society regarding morals in a microcosm. And what a witty smiley. You're a comic GENIUS!

 

[bamahippie]

Yah, I've lost loved ones to reckless (drunk) drivers, and it still doesn't change my mind.

Do you really think open container laws are why some folks don't drink and drive? Seriously?

My goodness, did you not read what I wrote? I said that a lack of open container laws would lead to even more casualness toward drinking while driving, leading to more driving while intoxicated than there already is, leading to more???...do I really need to explain this to sensible and literate people? Go back, read it, I think I was quite clear. All legislation is geared toward decisions that people make, with consequences for wrong/bad choices. There is some stupid legislation out there, but this not a "if it just saves one life" situation that is being discussed. I really am amazed at some of the flippant opinions re: human life showed by folks on this board, which may be why I don't visit Non-Sports often...

 

[bamahippie]

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More GOLD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh I can't stop laughing!!!! Keep digging 'em up, someone can laugh it up (and drink it up) with you, 'cuz it's freakin' hilarious, I tell ya! "It just doesn't get any better 'n this!". How come them commercials never show the totaled cars, mangled bodies, statistics on abuse, testimonials from beaten children and spouses, from folks that lost loved ones, shots of folks having fun puking their guts out, interviews with folks that have no idea where they are when they woke up or who they might have slept with. Yep, the high life. Think I'll steer clear, but you folks drink it up, you know better than us do-gooders! Prohibition told us that "Can't nobody tell you what to do", and that's fine, we'll just warn you, and the death toll continues...

 

[crimsonaudio]

My goodness, did you not read what I wrote? I said that a lack of open container laws would lead to even more casualness toward drinking while driving, leading to more driving while intoxicated than there already is, leading to more???...do I really need to explain this to sensible and literate people? Go back, read it, I think I was quite clear. All legislation is geared toward decisions that people make, with consequences for wrong/bad choices. There is some stupid legislation out there, but this not a "if it just saves one life" situation that is being discussed. I really am amazed at some of the flippant opinions re: human life showed by folks on this board, which may be why I don't visit Non-Sports often...

I'll happily turn that around - did you read my reply?

You appear to believe that people don't drink and drive due to open container laws, ergo removal of open container laws would equal more people drinking and driving and and an increase in alcohol related automotive accidents or deaths. I contend that's untrue, and you've presented no data to back that assertion up.

It's not a 'flippant opinion regarding human life' - show me some evidence that states without open container laws yield a higher DUi and / or accident rate due to alcohol. Drop the emotional response and bring some facts - if you can show me a higher per capita incidence of DUI and /or alcohol related automotive deaths in states without open container laws compared to those with, I'll agree your argument has merit. Until then it's an emotional, knee-jerk reaction that has no apparent basis in fact.

 

[crimsonaudio]

More GOLD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh I can't stop laughing!!!! Keep digging 'em up, someone can laugh it up (and drink it up) with you, 'cuz it's freakin' hilarious, I tell ya! "It just doesn't get any better 'n this!". How come them commercials never show the totaled cars, mangled bodies, statistics on abuse, testimonials from beaten children and spouses, from folks that lost loved ones, shots of folks having fun puking their guts out, interviews with folks that have no idea where they are when they woke up or who they might have slept with. Yep, the high life. Think I'll steer clear, but you folks drink it up, you know better than us do-gooders! Prohibition told us that "Can't nobody tell you what to do", and that's fine, we'll just warn you, and the death toll continues...

Sounds like you'd prefer a reinstatement of prohibition...

 

[dayhiker]

Yes, because I understand the science. One drink is not a risk.

My business partner told me he used to feel this way. Then (ealry 80's) he noticed how quickly his score fell on the Atari Pong game after just one beer. He said it dramatically changed how he viewed driving after just one beer. After 1, you're not conscious of the effects, but they're there. As a PS, the person telling me this is 6'-6" and probably 230#, so no, having a low bodyweight didn't enhance the result.

 

[disneybama]

My goodness, did you not read what I wrote? I said ...

So, If I type some random thought on this site a few times, it makes it true? :eek2:

The Braves will win the World Series this year.

The Braves will win the World Series this year.

The Braves will win the World Series this year.

Hey, it makes no difference that they are already eliminated. I typed it three times in this forum. It must be true. :biggrin2:

 

[disneybama]

My business partner told me he used to feel this way. Then (ealry 80's) he noticed how quickly his score fell on the Atari Pong game after just one beer. He said it dramatically changed how he viewed driving after just one beer. After 1, you're not conscious of the effects, but they're there. As a PS, the person telling me this is 6'-6" and probably 230#, so no, having a low bodyweight didn't enhance the result.

I think that it entirely depends on how fast you drink it. One beer drunk over 15 minutes is not going to create a spike in alcohol significant enough to make a difference. Chug it and it might.

 

[dayhiker]

I think that it entirely depends on how fast you drink it. One beer drunk over 15 minutes is not going to create a spike in alcohol significant enough to make a difference. Chug it and it might.

I don't see this person playing Pong with his 2 toddlers while shotgunning a beer. I've bent many an elbow with this person and I drink 'em faster than he does.

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Yah, I've lost loved ones to reckless (drunk) drivers, and it still doesn't change my mind.

Do you really think open container laws are why some folks don't drink and drive? Seriously?

How many times have you been out with someone who didn't necessarily intend to have too many but ended up knee walking? It happens, it even happens to relatively responsible people.

Another unintended consequence of being able to drink, just not too much, while you drive is the changing of the definition of probable cause. If it's ok to have a cold refreshing Bud while you're driving, the odor of alcohol wouldn't automatically be probable cause for a field sobriety test. If you argue that it still would be, then you're admitting that smelling like alcohol means you're more likely to be drunk. If you're drinking while driving, you would obviously smell like alcohol. Do you guys see the logic gap?
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[disneybama]

I don't see this person playing Pong with his 2 toddlers while shotgunning a beer. I've bent many an elbow with this person and I drink 'em faster than he does.

I get what you are saying, but do you want to set government policy based on the pong playing observations of a buddy?

 

[bamahippie]

So, If I type some random thought on this site a few times, it makes it true? :eek2:

No, no random thought. But, this coming from a guy that posts pictures of albino gorillas and totally awesome fake vintage beer mug pics to make jokes instead of valid points (and considering your history of irrelevant posts), I'll consider the source on your nifty comment.

Now crimsonaudio, he brung it. Kudos.

And, no I'm not a prohibitionist. But I would like people to use sound judgment, without this country thinking it has to do it for them. This wouldn't be a discussion if people, for some stupid reason, thought that there was something good about drinking alcohol. I will never get it. I don't really care whether the checkin or egg came first (open container vs. driving drunk), the FACT is you should not be drinking, and then driving. Period. I'm not spending all day on the internet, posting pages of links to back up why you shouldn't. Anyone with a brain should know to not consider drinking before driving, much less drinking while driving. We all underestimate what substances do to our bodies, and overestimate our decision-making prowess while under-the-influence. That's not an emotional response, but I don't need to quote and link every source available for common sense to not shine through.

 

[disneybama]

How many times have you been out with someone who didn't necessarily intend to have too many but ended up knee walking? It happens, it even happens to relatively responsible people.

Another unintended consequence of being able to drink, just not too much, while you drive is the changing of the definition of probable cause. If it's ok to have a cold refreshing Bud while you're driving, the odor of alcohol wouldn't automatically be probable cause for a field sobriety test. If you argue that it still would be, then you're admitting that smelling like alcohol means you're more likely to be drunk. If you're drinking while driving, you would obviously smell like alcohol. Do you guys see the logic gap?
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No logic gap - there is still probable cause for a field sobriety test. If the driver passes, you let him go. No gap.

Where do you get the notion that eliminating the open container laws would eliminate the smell of alcohol on a person's breath as probable cause for a field sobriety test?

 

[disneybama]

No, no random thought. But, this coming from a guy that posts pictures of albino gorillas and totally awesome fake vintage beer mug pics to make jokes instead of valid points (and considering your history of irrelevant posts), I'll consider the source on your nifty comment..

LOL - when you have to resort to insults, you have lost, my friend.

 

[crimsonaudio]

How many times have you been out with someone who didn't necessarily intend to have too many but ended up knee walking? It happens, it even happens to relatively responsible people.

Yep, agree 100%. It's why, as I stated above, I choose not to drive after even one drink. But should that be law? I don't know. It should be if there are facts that show that the law works, otherwise it's an unnecessary law, and it's the allowance of such that has gotten us where we are now - where civil liberties are easily dismissed not due to facts, but due to feelings.

As far as I know, DUI is illegal in every state, and no one is advocating that that should change in any way.

Another unintended consequence of being able to drink, just not too much, while you drive is the changing of the definition of probable cause. If it's ok to have a cold refreshing Bud while you're driving, the odor of alcohol wouldn't automatically be probable cause for a field sobriety test. If you argue that it still would be, then you're admitting that smelling like alcohol means you're more likely to be drunk. If you're drinking while driving, you would obviously smell like alcohol. Do you guys see the logic gap?
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Yes, I do see the logical gap, but I don't think it's where you intended...

The removal of open container laws doesn't make DUI legal. It's legal for me to wear a crimson hat in public if I wish. if someone robs a bank wearing a similar hat and I'm nearby, I might be detained for questioning due to my crimson hat. The same is true with alcohol. Right now, in most states it's perfectly legal to drive after drinking, as long as your BAC is below the legal limit - there's zero reason that would change. Whether the driver had two beers at Chili's or sucked two down on the way home make zero difference - either his BAC is legal or it's not.

 

[dayhiker]

I get what you are saying, but do you want to set government policy based on the pong playing observations of a buddy?

Never said I did. Just pointing out that in all likeliehood, one does effect us, we just don't realize it....and if that's truly the case should something be done about it?

 

[disneybama]

Never said I did. Just pointing out that in all likeliehood, one does effect us, we just don't realize it....and if that's truly the case should something be done about it?

No, you are pointing out that a single buddy felt that one affected him. If I apply my personal experience, I come to a different conclusion.

I say we stick to the scientific studies that have led to the current limits in blood alcohol rather than make something up based on subjective criteria.

And, if the scientific evidence changes, I would be more than happy to revisit the legal blood alcohol level.

 

[disneybama]

 

[bamahippie]

LOL - when you have to resort to insults, you have lost, my friend.

'Tis true, I can't hold my own with Darth Mater. What's a sober person to do? :rolleye2:

 

[SavannahDare]

I've been wondering for about 6 pages if Jessica is as sorry as I am that she started this thread.

And let's hear it for Mississippi for allowing folks to use the good sense God gave them!