Link: Ayn Rand: Welfare Queen

[Nate Harris]

I recognize it is dumb and will never like these programs. But, I will accept a fraction of the money back that I put into the welfare state. It doesn't make me a hypocrite; it just means I'm not interested in being a financial martyr.

Ok then, go on calling yourself by whatever non-hypocrite term you choose. Just don't pretend that it's an effective argument against Obamacare or any other social program yet to be proposed. I know you can see what I'm saying here. If the standard of the debate is the taxpayers who pay into the system then it doesn't matter how many impoverished mooches you point your finger at. You're making the case for why taxpayers should create more socialism for their own benefit. As long as they pay taxes then according to you they deserve it all!! Obamacare then becomes just the next step in the same ole process.

 

[Bodhisattva]

This post was better before your edit.

When you are capable of making a contribution to the discussion let me know.

 

[Nate Harris]

I don't support entitlements. I don't stand to benefit from them because I'm one of society's productive citizens. Getting some of my money back only means the personal ripoff is slightly less.

Your deeds speak louder than your words.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Ok then, go on calling yourself by whatever non-hypocrite term you choose. Just don't pretend that it's an effective argument against Obamacare or any other social program yet to be proposed. I know you can see what I'm saying here.

No. Your logic is a failure here.

If the standard of the debate is the taxpayers who pay into the system then it doesn't matter how many impoverished mooches you point your finger at. You're making the case for why taxpayers should create more socialism for their own benefit. As long as they pay taxes then according to you they deserve it all!! Obamacare then becomes just the next step in the same ole process.

I oppose Obamacare and all the other government insanity because it fails on constitutional, economic, moral and philosophical groungs. I want LESS of it. You seem to think I should accept the theft with a smile. And that I can claw back SOME of my own money means that I support Obamacare. That's logically absurd.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Your deeds speak louder than your words.

What are you talking about? Everyone is forced to participate in this garbage.

But, whatever. I'm not into your childish games. I have a four year old that's more entertaining at the moment.

 

[Nate Harris]

What are you talking about? Everyone is forced to participate in this garbage.

But, whatever. I'm not into your childish games. I have a four year old that's more entertaining at the moment.

Your four year old pays attention to your deeds more than your words. How many times have I said it here? When you say you deserve compensation because you pay taxes that perpetuates socialism with the next generation. If your four year old grows up to become an opponent of Obamacare but accepts the benefits anyway won't that be ironic? Don't you see what's being passed down here?

 

[CharminTide]

When you are capable of making a contribution to the discussion let me know.

Must be lonely up on that pedestal.

 

[It's On A Slab]

I remember when I used to think Ayn Rand was a genius. This was back in high school when I shopped at Hot Topic and painted my fingernails black.

Then I grew up.

K2 was the bomb as well.

Boy, that Rush sure had some killer music, those multiple drum rolls and pot smokin' libertarian lyrics.

Seriously, Ayn Rand's M.O. was: "I ruined my life. Here. This is how to ruin yours."

 

[jthomas666]

That was Howard Roark in The Fountainhead who blew up a building (with no one inside) because his architectural ideas were stolen. Not really like al Qaeda at all.

Actually, he blew up the building not because his ideas were stolen, but because his design was changed.

 

[jps1983]

Your four year old pays attention to your deeds more than your words. How many times have I said it here? When you say you deserve compensation because you pay taxes that perpetuates socialism with the next generation.

That's where your logic fails...Bodhi is not arguing that we "deserve" to receive the benefits from the gov't. Bodhi is simply saying that there is no hypocrisy in arguing for individualism/anti-gov't programs, but yet still accept partial re-payment (since an investment in these programs never returns what you put in completely). There's a big difference b/t a person "accepting" benefits and a person "expecting" benefits.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Must be lonely up on that pedestal.

Hahaha. Everyone is on a pedastal compared to silly little trolls like you.

 

[Bodhisattva]

K2 was the bomb as well.

Boy, that Rush sure had some killer music, those multiple drum rolls and pot smokin' libertarian lyrics.

Seriously, Ayn Rand's M.O. was: "I ruined my life. Here. This is how to ruin yours."

Your criticisms are extremely lame; I seriously doubt you ever read her works.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I believe that social security is a looming disaster that should be disbanded. But damn straight I am going to try and get back every dime I paid into it until it does collapse. If that is hypocritical, well, then you are an idiot.

Let's explore what passes for left wing "logic."

Getting a fraction of the money you are forced to give to the government to help society's scum is somehow hypocritical. You can't criticize Social Secruity if you ever retire. Yeah, that makes sense.

Let's extend Nate's argument .......

You can't critize subsidized agriculture if you eat food.

You can't critize ethanol subsidies if you drive a car.

You can't criticize subsidies to universities if you went to college.

And on and on. Thus, by being a taxpayer you have to love Obamacare and all the other garbage that is forced upon us. See how logical that is?

 

[Bodhisattva]

I hope I ruin my life one day and become incredibly influential.

So, Slab hates an author who advocated personal responsibility and liberty. Yet, all the criticisms are vague and personal - pure troll characteristics. Such misplaced venom. Not very logical. If only Slab would have the same contempt for the politicians who squander billions of our wealth and deprive us of our freedoms.

 

[CharminTide]

Fortunately, there's a singles site for you two. Just FYI before one of y'all breaks out the massage oils.

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[Nate Harris]

That's where your logic fails...Bodhi is not arguing that we "deserve" to receive the benefits from the gov't. Bodhi is simply saying that there is no hypocrisy in arguing for individualism/anti-gov't programs, but yet still accept partial re-payment (since an investment in these programs never returns what you put in completely). There's a big difference b/t a person "accepting" benefits and a person "expecting" benefits.

So you want to accept a government handout you don't "deserve" by your own admission. Multiply that attitude times a few hundred a million people and PRESTO! Instant fiscal crisis! And folks still wonder why the budget never gets balanced. SHEESH! Gimmee. Gimmee. Gimmee.

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

So you want to accept a government handout you don't "deserve" by your own admission. Multiply that attitude times a few hundred a million people and PRESTO! Instant fiscal crisis! And folks still wonder why the budget never gets balanced. SHEESH! Gimmee. Gimmee. Gimmee.

Hey, I've got a better idea! Let's quit confiscating people's property against their will! Whata' ya' say?

 

[Bodhisattva]

In fairness to Slab, I always assumed he didn't believe much of anything beyond whatever it takes to rile people up.

I think you're right; he's become more troll-like since relinquishing mod duties. Too bad.

 

[Bodhisattva]

So you want to accept a government handout you don't "deserve" by your own admission. Multiply that attitude times a few hundred a million people and PRESTO! Instant fiscal crisis! And folks still wonder why the budget never gets balanced. SHEESH! Gimmee. Gimmee. Gimmee.

Nate, you do realize that there is a difference betwen society's producers getting some of their own money back and society's parasites getting a lot of other people's money, right? You intentionally not seeing the difference is ridiculous.

 

[It's On A Slab]

I think you're right; he's become more troll-like since relinquishing mod duties. Too bad.

You objectivists are cute when you get defensive.

Or is it that you get defensive when you're cute.

NTTAWWT.