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And it doesn't stop there. The Athletic Director and Director of finances have been accused of perjury in the case. WOW!

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Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and another school administrator were charged with perjury and failure to report in an investigation into allegations that former football defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight young men, authorities said Saturday.State prosecutors said Sandusky, 67, of State College, was arrested Saturday. Curley, 57, and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, both of Boalsburg, were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg, according to the attorney general's office. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department.
Sandusky, who worked with at-risk children through his Second Mile foundation, was charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses.
Attorney General Linda Kelly called Sandusky "a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys."
A message left on Curley's cell phone was not immediately returned, and a school athletic department spokesman had no immediate comment.
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UPDATE: Here's a link to the Grand Jury testimony...

Some highlights.....WOW..you know what? on 2nd thought, I'm not gonna post any of the details here. Just read the linked page. WOW...just disgusting
 
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I believe that there is a special place in Hell reserved for people like this.
 
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it is shocking to me how little press this is getting. seriously this could be the biggest case of fraud in ncaa history, even bigger than sCam, OSU, USC, etc

now the Penn State AD and another administrator have been charged with perjury in the case!

folks, let me break this down as easily as possible. this guy was recruiting young men for 30 years to come to play for him and Joe Pa at State Penn. WHILE HE WAS STILL COACHING teen boys came forward alleging sexual abuse and both joe pa and the administration did NOTHING! why? for the sake of their FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!

espn reporters jump over themselves to find a tattoo shop that give OSU kids free tats for jerseys but they mention nothing about Penn State covering up a former coach allegedly sexually abusing teenage boys? We're talking about 40 counts against him over a 10 year period and while some of those were after he "retired" several were reported while he was coaching.

As a Pittsburgh resident I've always laughed at the people that believe Joe Pa runs a clean program. Yeah, maybe he doesn't have recruiting violations but the amount of arrested players, players committing crimes that have been covered up, and now a child rapist coach assures me that they really are State Penn

disgusting
 
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Rolltide_PA said:
folks, let me break this down as easily as possible. this guy was recruiting young men for 30 years to come to play for him and Joe Pa at State Penn. WHILE HE WAS STILL COACHING teen boys came forward alleging sexual abuse and both joe pa and the administration did NOTHING! why? for the sake of their FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!
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According to ESPN:
When Paterno first learned of one report of abuse he immediately reported it to Curley, prosecutors said.
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This is disgusting, but try not to paint with too broad a brush - if for no other reason than this is so disgusting.
 
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ST, c'mon now! broad brush?

this guy runs the program and his grad assistant came to Paterno personally to tell him what he witnessed Sandusky doing with a child in the team shower! Paterno's response? Go tell AD Curley about it who then did nothing. You're absolving Joe Pa? lol, that is leadership?

a grad assistant tells his boss that a coach is doing stuff with a teenage boy in the team showers and telling him to go let someone else know is the sole responsibility he has?

...it'***** the fan now. complete lack of institutional control starts with joe and curley, continues with compliance from police, boosters, and other university officials.
 
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Rolltide_PA said:
You're absolving Joe Pa?.
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No - I just think that this is too ugly a thing to start making assumptions. If Paterno was part of the cover-up, I hope he is buried. But I am not going to jump to the conclusion that he "only" went to the AD.
 
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SimplyTide said:
According to ESPN:

This is disgusting, but try not to paint with too broad a brush - if for no other reason than this is so disgusting.
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Look at the timeline of the eyewitness report of the sexual assault in the PSU shower to Jo Pa. If Jo Pa would have taken the action that most of us would have taken and reported the incident to the police, other assaults may not have happened.

Obviously, I don't know the facts or exact situation but if I were the the head coach and the facts were as stated in these articles, Sandusky would have been fired on the spot and the police would have been called.
 
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I just watched a report of this situation during the halftime show of the UF/Vandy game. ESPN reported that Gary Schultz oversees the PSU Police. I still am wondering why Jo Pa didn't fire Sandusky and report the incident to the Police himself?
 
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Pennsylvania law, according to PSU rivals site, requires anyone suspecting child abuse or the sort to contact authorities, however it's a misdemeanor not to do so. Coach Paterno, and several others are obviously guilty of not notifying authorities.
 
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The report says that Sandusky retired in 1999 and access to the facilities was part of his retirement package. The instance that the graduate assistant witnessed happened in 2002. That would mean that he would not be an employee for Paterno to fire. IMO Paterno had 2 obligations; notify the AD and notify the local police. I can only guess that he thought the AD would handle notifying the local police.
 
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This is shocking to say the least. This is probably the thing to push JoePa on out the door. Very disturbing...
 
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Ratal said:
The report says that Sandusky retired in 1999 and access to the facilities was part of his retirement package. The instance that the graduate assistant witnessed happened in 2002. That would mean that he would not be an employee for Paterno to fire. IMO Paterno had 2 obligations; notify the AD and notify the local police. I can only guess that he thought the AD would handle notifying the local police.
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You are right about Sandusky not working for Jo Pa at the time of the reported assault. I just read that and was going to post the article. That explains why Jo Pa didn't fire him. However I am wondering why it took so long for the police to get involved. Again I do not know all the particular facts. However you look at this it is a very ugly situation for PSU.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...usky-others-charged-in-child-sex-case-110511/
Longtime head coach Joe Paterno, who has more victories than any coach in the history of Division I football, was not charged, authorities said, and the grand jury report did not appear to implicate him in wrongdoing. It said that when Paterno first learned of one report of abuse, he immediately reported it to Curley, but Sandusky was no longer coaching at the time and it's not clear whether Paterno followed up with Curley.

For Penn State and the large community of alumni that surrounds it in Pennsylvania and beyond, the allegations represent a devastating blemish. Led for more than four decades by Paterno's strong and unique public persona, the athletic program has prided itself on being clean and unsusceptible to the scandals that have tarnished other major schools.

Sandusky, closely identified with the school's reputation as a defensive powerhouse and a program that produced top-quality linebackers, retired in 1999 but continued to work with at-risk children through the nonprofit Second Mile organization he founded in 1977, where authorities say all of the accusers first encountered him.
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Crimson Surfer said:
You are right about Sandusky not working for Jo Pa at the time of the reported assault. I just read that and was going to post the article. That explains why Jo Pa didn't fire him. However I am wondering why it took so long for the police to get involved. Again I do not know all the particular facts. However you look at this it is a very ugly situation for PSU.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...usky-others-charged-in-child-sex-case-110511/
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i look at it as EVEN WORSE! original allegations surfaced in the mid-to-late 90's and this particular instance the grad asst witnessed happened in 2002 when Joe Pa would have extensive knowledge of previous issues. sicking to think that it's very likely Sandusky has been doing this since the late 70's under Joe Pa's watch...

article from today's Washington Post

[h=1]If Jerry Sandusky allegations are true, Penn State and Joe Paterno deserve part of the blame[/h]

After what allegedly happened to “Victim 2,” a boy estimated to be 10 years old, in the same room where Penn State football players shower, it’s near impossible to keep reading the grand jury’s report. By “Victim 8,” numbness turns to anger.
You want to scream at the traumatized graduate assistant coach in 2002 and janitor in 2000 who saw and didn’t stop it, according to the report released by the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office. You want to grab hold of and shake those who reported the crime only to their superiors, washed their hands of responsibility and then let it go, treating a kid’s life as if it were a football that slipped through their hands.





Most of all, you want to have an audience with one of sports’ most endearing icons, Joe Paterno, Happy Valley’s homespun saint, and ask Joe Pa, repeatedly, “While you were regaling everyone with sappy tales about meeting your wife 50 years ago over ice cream at the local creamery in State College, Pa., did you have any idea what your longtime defensive coordinator was doing in the company of young boys?”
If the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office is to be taken at its word — if the sad, sickening details of alleged sexual abuse of young boys by Jerry Sandusky are true — a once-immaculate program thought of as beyond reproach is now close to beyond redemption.
Paterno wasn’t charged, but if Sandusky is guilty, Paterno would be guilty — just as Penn State’s athletic director and a university vice president, who were charged with perjury and failure to report suspected child abuse on Saturday, would be guilty.
They would all be party to a worse crime than any crooked, pay-for-play booster at Miami, Ohio State or even SMU ever committed: guilty of protecting a program before a child.
You can’t read the 23-page grand jury report and come to any other conclusion; Penn State football and its pristine reputation apparently superseded the alleged sexual assault of a young boy — perhaps as many as eight young boys — over 15 years by Sandusky.
Joe Pa knew, if the charges are true.
They all knew.
And they never told police.
Penn State’s president and other university officials are standing behind Tim Curley, the athletic director, and Gary Schultz, the senior vice president of finance and business. They maintained both men handled a 2002 complaint about Sandusky properly — given what they knew of the situation at the time.
“I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support,” Penn State President Graham Spanier said in a statement, which an athletic department official said would be the school’s only comment on the matter. “I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years. I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former University employee.”
In the statement issued by Penn State, the attorneys for Curley and Schultz said their clients are not guilty. Sandusky’s attorney told a Johnstown, Pa., television station that Sandusky “has maintained his innocence” after being aware of the allegations for more than three years.


Sandusky, 67, was charged, among other crimes, with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child and seven counts of indecent assault. The grand jury report says he met most of the boys through his Second Mile foundation, which helps at-risk children. He was arraigned and released on $100,000 bail on Saturday.
“I knew him the way I knew him; he was always someone I admired, respected and looked up to,” LaVar Arrington, who played for Sandusky in the late 1990s at the university nicknamed “Linebacker U,” said by telephone Saturday afternoon. “His foundation has helped tons of kids.”
But the former Redskins Pro Bowler and Penn State all-American linebacker, who is a contributor to washingtonpost.com, also added: “I’m not declaring anything. I’m neutral right now.”
“Because I am also a father and because the thought of one of my kids coming home and saying something bad happened to them like that, I can’t even think about it. I don’t want to discount the stories of the families and their children. Innocent or guilty, he’s tarnished himself by this. I’m very disappointed it’s actually even a possibility.”
According to the attorney general’s office, in 2002 a graduate student assistant went to Paterno’s home the day after he saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in the shower late at night at Lasch Football Building on the Penn State campus. Paterno told Curley the next day.
About 10 days after the incident, Curley and Schultz met with the graduate assistant who had witnessed the abuse. Their executive action, according to the grand jury report: They told Sandusky that he could not bring any children from his foundation into the football building any more.
No one from Penn State — not Paterno, not the human neckties, no one — ever reported the alleged incident to law enforcement, which the grand jury report says is required under Pennsylvania law
In Warped Sports World, the don’t-ask, don’t-tell, sweep-it-clean behavior is rationalized as loyalty, having your coach’s or teammate’s back, moving on from the problem. It’s seen as a noble quality, putting the team’s needs — the university’s needs — before your own.
Certainly it can be argued that Paterno and Penn State would have been irrevocably hurt if these allegations had surfaced in a police report almost 10 years ago; a program whose legendary defensive coordinator was accused of being a pedophile would lose recruits and, by association, money and prestige. Who wouldn’t want that to go away?
But more unconscionable, if true: putting loyalty to the many, the program, in front of the victimization of even the one, a child.
They were kids. Boys. Some no older than 8 years old when they were allegedly abused by Sandusky between the years of 1994 and 2009, are now in their 20s, scarred forever by an adult they trusted. One testified under oath he hid in terror in Sandusky’s basement each time the coach came down the stairs.
For those who observed or were told about possible sexual abuse, never telling anyone beyond school officials is not merely an omission.
And if the grand jury’s report is right, the man with the most victories in the history of big-time college football knew.
Paterno and university officials knew they hadn’t employed a defensive coordinator; they had in effect empowered a sexual predator, who the report says spent the next seven years molesting more boys.
And because they possibly chose to protect Penn State’s brand instead of a child — a 10-year-old kid whom they never even bothered to find out the name of, according to the grand jury report — more children might have suffered because of their silence.
If the grand jury report is true, they all need to step down — even the great Joe Pa. It’s the least he could do.
For however long shame and guilt hover over his last days at Penn State it will never outlast the shame and guilt felt by those young boys. Nor will it bring back their innocence. Like the sheen of Joe Pa’s program, that may well be gone forever.

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In today's culture of not wanting to rock the boat for career interest, the reaction time of the initial reporting is typical.

Graduate assistant walks in on a grey headed man engaging in sexual activities with a minor minor. He talks to Joe Pa The Next Day! Joe Pa call the Athletic Director, and he comes to talk to Joe Pa, The Next Day!
 
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Should Paterno have called the police himself? I don't think so. Should he have demanded that his graduate assistant call the police? Absolutely. I would have watched as he made that phone call from my home.

Paterno trusted his administrators to handle the situation, and it was a mistake. He should have forced the call himself instead of passing the buck. Even if he initially decided to pass the problem up the chain, he had a human responsibility to follow up on the report and ensure that the authorities had been informed. It saddens me to see his legacy ruined like this, but it didn't have to be so.

Consequences.
 
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SimplyTide said:
Should Paterno have called the police himself? I don't think so. Should he have demanded that his graduate assistant call the police? Absolutely. I would have watched as he made that phone call from my home.

Paterno trusted his administrators to handle the situation, and it was a mistake. He should have forced the call himself instead of passing the buck. Even if he initially decided to pass the problem up the chain, he had a human responsibility to follow up on the report and ensure that the authorities had been informed. It saddens me to see his legacy ruined like this, but it didn't have to be so.

Consequences.
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I agree, like it or not, this is about the same as solely blaming the AD if this was one of Coach Bryants mid 70's assistant coach's. Wait a minute, Coach Bryant was the AD.......but you get my point.

If you are The Man, then you are The Man in all instances you are involved in. Joe Pa should take the public fall for this and retire and take his earned seat next to Woody Hayes.
 
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