Erasing Hate: ex-skinhead is subject of documentary
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Sounds interesting indeed, and I'll more than likely watch..but...
Naaah Buddy...Nah you don't. But carry on.
Naaah Buddy...Nah you don't. But carry on.
Hey WMack, serious question and asked out of truly wanting to know and not stirring the pot so please take it with that in mind. Why is it that there's this mindset that no matter how bad a white person's life is or has been, that it still isn't as "bad" and "hard to live" as a black person's?
I'm not saying you're saying that or believe that but the quote you highlighted and responded to brought this thought to my mind. But I do believe there is this general mindset in our society that it is not possible for white people to have it "as tough" as blacks.
I'll hang up now and listen.
It's not that I think the plight of Blacks in America is unparalleled throughout history, etc. It's more of a thing, like....here's the best example I can give...
I passed a kidney stone. And it is BY FAR the most physical pain I've ever felt in my life. And most people have said that passing a kidney stone for a man is equivalent to a woman giving childbirth. But any woman who has given birth that you say that to would probably roll her eyes until they fall out of her head.
Point I'm making is that empathizing and actually KNOWING are two entirely different things.
I think that's the best way that I can describe the point I was trying to convey.
White-on-black crime is nothing like it used to be. Nothing. White-on-white, black-on-black, etc. has gone ridiculous. Discrimination is still there, especially in the minds (and sometimes actions) of those stuck in the past, but lets not kid ourselves and act like it's like it used to be. Honestly though, I agree that the skinhead comes off sounding like a dope. Those discriminated against may have some understanding of what another race goes through, but definitely not a total picture. For example, I can't relate to a Holocaust survivor. I haven't experienced that level of discrimination. A majority of the African-American (and by that I mean born/raised here) population can't possibly empathize with folks that have endured "cleansing" in Africa, living a life of a refugee and witnessing mass atrocities. So, again, no need to go overboard (and WMack wasn't).
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Reminds me of an acquaintance who, at the tail end of his London vacation, was robbed of his passport and money. Had to sleep on benches at Heathrow for a couple of days while the Embassy could sort his situation out, and he could get money wired to him.
He told me, "I now know what it's like to be homeless."
Nah, you don't.
I think I understand what you are saying but I honestly think he was probably discriminated against and I can see why. Now it was brought on by his own choices instead of skin color but I can see someone telling him that they didn't want his type in their shop or whatever. For me the key part is he made the wrong choices and now is willing to help others who may consider making those same bad choices.
It seems a bit condescending to suggest that no one else can understand "my particular flavor of plight." Of course everyone's problems are a bit different. If someone has gained some perspective into another point of view, why try to diminish that with oneupmanship?
yeah, he doesn't understand what it's like to be black, but I have no doubt he understands what it's like to be discriminated against. He was a deplorable, despicable human...and that shuts a lot of doors for you. Yeah, he did it himself, but he missed out on a lot of opportunities because of his tats and what his tats stood for.
Looking forward to watching.
Not what I was doing. But again, his statement that I highlighted, for me at least, seemed a bit general (if that adjective makes sense here). The "black man" part is what threw me off. Take that part out and i'm with him 100%. All kinds of people (gay people, handicapped people, old people, etc.) are discriminated against because of how they look.
So for me, it seems a reach to say that you KNOW what it's like to be a Black man. And that in and of itself carries a LOT more than just being discriminated against.
I experience a lot of hate because I'm beautiful.
So basically, "You're Sexy and You Know It!?!?", now that I can relate too :wink:
I experience a lot of hate because I'm beautiful.
I tend to get it from that side too.
Whether a person is black, white, asian, messicun etc. Carrying around and entertaining a state of mind that lends *you* to believe that *you've* had it worse than anyone in the world or "no one understands what you've been through" lends itself to having a crutch to lean on when things don't go *your* way.
It lends itself to blinding someone's eyes to their mistakes, their bad decisions and their responsibility in the matter. Everything is "someone else's fault". This is the danger in ANYONE having a "I've had it worse than most" mentality.
It lends itself to blinding someone's eyes to their mistakes, their bad decisions and their responsibility in the matter. Everything is "someone else's fault". This is the danger in ANYONE having a "I've had it worse than most" mentality.
People nearly always want to believe that whatever discrimination or injustice they, or those like them, have endured is somehow unique or unrelatable to by others. It just boils down to wanting to be seen as being special. We've all had our pain. It's part of the human condition. One's pain or position really isn't more sacrosanct that anyone else's just because of their race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or history of victimization, yet we tend to create these special hand's off categories for groups of people (then complain about the categories). We really are a messed up bunch we humans. 
WMack,
You think you brutha's got it bad. Try going through life looking like me. Have you seen my avatar dude!!!??? Or just imagine Riz, bless his heart... :biggrin2:
You think you brutha's got it bad. Try going through life looking like me. Have you seen my avatar dude!!!???
Or just imagine Riz, bless his heart... :biggrin2:
WMack,
You think you brutha's got it bad. Try going through life looking like me. Have you seen my avatar dude!!!???
Hahahaha!! I try not to discriminate. This was the chick I chose my wife over...but she was a close 2nd
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