Gun Control Thread -- (Pros and Cons) -- Aftermath of Connecticut Shooting

[Tidewater]

So a private citizen can legally sell anything they way to a private citizen without regulation? Cocaine, sex, a nuclear bomb?

Well, a state can regulate any commercial activity it wants to, as long as it doesn't violate the state's constitution or the Federal one.
Unfortunately, by nationalizing virtually every issue, every problem has only Federal solutions.

 

[Tidewater]

No one should be able to buy any sort of gun from anyplace without first passing a meaningful background test.

On this I would agree. I would like checks on the buyer for mental illness, background of violent criminal offenses, done by the local law enforcement prior to the sale.

 

[MattinBama]

No one should be able to buy any sort of gun from anyplace without first passing a meaningful background test.

If I want to sell a gun to a friend that should be between me and my friend. I shouldn't have to have a government minder/nanny present to make sure it's okay.

 

[chanson78]

Third, the SO called gun show loop hole is total bull. There is no such thing. Its a private citizen selling private goods to other private citizens. Its no different than selling through the want ads in the paper. None. You cant stop it or regulate it.

Calling it a loophole is a misnomer. However that is the term that the process of selling firearms privately without a background check has taken on. The loophole is exemplified by the following example:

A firearms dealer with an actual FFL and a private seller have booths at the same gun show right next to each other. The firearms dealer with the FFL cannot sell to someone with a felony offense due to the background check. That same person with the felony offense can go to the private seller, ask them to purchase the firearm, and then resell it without the background check. This is technically against the law but difficult to enforce.

For a more in depth explanation here is a video.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

Well, a state can regulate any commercial activity it wants to, as long as it doesn't violate the state's constitution or the Federal one.
Unfortunately, by nationalizing virtually every issue, every problem has only Federal solutions.

If you buy a car, you have to transfer the title. For the transfer of ownership of any gun...even from one family member to another...the acquiring party should have to under a background check. In fact, both parties should have to undergo a background check to make sure there isn't anything illegal going on (straw purchasing, etc.). That should be at the federal level.

And here is the article on Dick's that someone mentioned earlier. He he. I said "Dick's".

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/Dicks_suspends_some_rifle_sales_.html

The sports retail chain, which has 15 stores in the Philadelphia region, said it has halted sales of the "modern sporting rifle," a semi-automatic weapon which is used primarly for hunting and target shooting. Dick's also removed all firearms from its store nearest the school where 20 children and six adults were gunned down Friday morning.

So it was "semi-automatic weapons" and not "assault weapons" that Dick's stopped selling. Whatever the difference is between those two terms.

 

[crimsonaudio]

So it was "semi-automatic weapons" and not "assault weapons" that Dick's stopped selling. Whatever the difference is between those two terms.

One term is accurate, the other is emotionally charged and inaccurate.

My semi-automatic have never assaulted anyone. In fact, they don't do anything if I don't touch them.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

One term is accurate, the other is emotionally charged and inaccurate.

My semi-automatic have never assaulted anyone. In fact, they don't do anything if I don't touch them.

I thought the "assault" term had come to be connected with any weapon capable of accepting a large magazine...

 

[seebell]

I thought the "assault" term had come to be connected with any weapon capable of accepting a large magazine...

definitions are coming from different places. The military definition. NRA and various sportsman groups. Assault weapons ban of 1994. And various government agencies. All define them differently. I prefer the legal definition from the defunct 1994 law myself.

 

[cbi1972]

Can we ban violent video games while we're at it?

Like if this is sarcasm. Dislike if it is sincere.

 

[Bamaro]

If I want to sell a gun to a friend that should be between me and my friend. I shouldn't have to have a government minder/nanny present to make sure it's okay.

Other things yes, guns no!

 

[MattinBama]

I thought the "assault" term had come to be connected with any weapon capable of accepting a large magazine...

I can get a 100 round magazine for my .22 rifle but that doesn't really fall under assault rifle lingo nowadays. Generally it seems to mean long guns that pro gun controllers think look scary.

 

[MattinBama]

Other things yes, guns no!

I already have enough government intrusion in my life, thank you.

 

[BamaMTA06]

I thought the "assault" term had come to be connected with any weapon capable of accepting a large magazine...

Prior to the 1994 Law assault rifles were considered weapons capable of mutiple round burst or capable of being fully automatic. If you read the 1994 law it states that we know these rifles are not true assault rifles, but for purposes of this law we will call them assault rifles.

M16 is an assault rifle. Your civilian AR-15 or AR-15 variant is a semi automatic rifle.

 

[Bamaro]

I can get a 100 round magazine for my .22 rifle but that doesn't really fall under assault rifle lingo nowadays. Generally it seems to mean long guns that pro gun controllers think look scary.

A loophole allowing unrestricted private sales makes any gun law meaningless. I'm guessing that's what you really want.

 

[BamaMTA06]

I was going to get Springfield Xdm .45 3.8 compact as well as a Kimber 1911 fairly soon. I may have to watch the renewed gun control debate and pony up for an AR-15 and a few 30 round mags before they are taken off the shelves.

 

[seebell]

 

[BamaFlum]

Don't most CHL's, require similar training?

 

[TexasBama]

Only need 1 if you dont drive in public

 

[seebell]

Don't most CHL's, require similar training?

Not sure what a CHL is. Concealed Handgun License? In which case the answer is no.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

This is the norm in other developed countries, although it certainly didn't prevent the Norwegian massacre. As someone who grew up with guns, I finally quit, but it wasn't because I fell out of love with guns. One day, after a deer hunt, I stopped in at Wiley's Sporting Goods, when it used to be out on Governors Drive in Huntsville. JC, the employee, asked the guy by me me if he'd had any luck. He replied "Naw, but I had a couple of 'sound shots'." I turned and asked him what he meant by "sound shots" - did he even see what he'd shot at? He said "no," but that it had sounded like a deer. That's when I realized just how far gun education in this country had dropped and that I didn't want to be in the woods with these guys...