News Article: Utah HS FB Coach Suspends Entire Team
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I know it gets kinda of silly when people say what you are assuming doesn't it.
Touche'
I'm going to step out of this thread. I guess I will just have to agree to disagree. I still love ya B1GTide and Mamacalled. 
It's not about punishing or rewarding...it's about building a better team. Having the "innocent" help pay for the transgressions of the "guilty" sometimes happens...on teams and in life. If the high character guys give you the best chance to win, by all means put em in and then let'em lead the Sunday school class after the game. But if the sinners give you the best chance to win, then a coach has a decision...has his heathen all-stars paid for their transgressions? If so, and coaches and players "believe in" them, then put them in....and maybe throw in an extra confessional service next week...But still, it's about team first. What was that receivers name that Saban worked with that first year at Bama? Talented...but maybe not the most clean cut, dependable young man on campus. CNS walked that tightrope pretty well....
OK, having finally read the article...........
In my day, coach would have made us show up, 7 AM Saturday morning, and run up and down the stadium steps until we puked our guts out. Then screamed at us, until he couldn't scream anymore. Then, make us run more. And probably more screaming.
Now, they get told their attitude needs work, and get to do community service. Not exactly my idea of "suspension". (Yeah, I know..............they had to complete their little tasks before they got their jerseys back. Which I bet was in time for the next game.)
Both methods teach a lesson. Only one method helped you win Q4.
In my day, coach would have made us show up, 7 AM Saturday morning, and run up and down the stadium steps until we puked our guts out. Then screamed at us, until he couldn't scream anymore. Then, make us run more. And probably more screaming.
Now, they get told their attitude needs work, and get to do community service. Not exactly my idea of "suspension". (Yeah, I know..............they had to complete their little tasks before they got their jerseys back. Which I bet was in time for the next game.)
Both methods teach a lesson. Only one method helped you win Q4.
Your "analysis" ignores the improvement of character through lessons learned.
The facts don't support your thread hijack. From the article (that I doubt you read):
With that in mid, here is my revision of your breakdown:
High Character/High Ability = Are happy to do community service and (gasp!) go to class. Play more than the average player, which is fair.
High Character/Low Ability = Are happy to do community service and (gasp!) go to class. They aren't going to be career athletes, so it's especially good that they're getting this character reinforcement.
Low Character/High Ability = They view this as a punishment. They won't play if they don't get with the program.
Low Character/Low Ability = They view this as a punishment. They won't play if they don't get with the program.
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At first I thought the coach was going overboard kicking everyone off the team. But all he is really making them do is go to some lame class about being a good citizen and then spend the day at a homeless shelter. Then they'll all be back on the team for the game Friday.
For all this he makes himself look like some kind of saint. At least Manziel missed actual playing time.
For all this he makes himself look like some kind of saint. At least Manziel missed actual playing time.
B1GTide, I hope your head has quit hurting from beating it against the wall. All of your points were spot-on, as most folks on here would attest. Some folks just don't get the concept of what a "team" is really about - you're just wasting your breath trying to argue with them. (But nice try!)
TEAMS have to share the bad as well as the good.
Lot of players on our NC teams got rings & did not play.
Player said: My post clearly says high character high ability will get more than their fair share of playing time. I was responding to someone who said that: Character plus Ability = Playing Time.
High character and high ability will definitely get more playing time. There is no such thing as "fair share" of playing time.
High ability and low character SHOULD get NO playing time, or reduced playing time in a program that is run correctly. That varies with the coaches and the schools. I will submit that in many cases it doesn't work that way. But those coaches don't teach the right lessons. I think this coaching staff has the right idea...
High character and high ability will definitely get more playing time. There is no such thing as "fair share" of playing time.
High ability and low character SHOULD get NO playing time, or reduced playing time in a program that is run correctly. That varies with the coaches and the schools. I will submit that in many cases it doesn't work that way. But those coaches don't teach the right lessons. I think this coaching staff has the right idea...
THIS.
While having the players do community service and take character classes is a great idea, they should have had some "typical" football punishment, i.e, the stair running until you puke thing. Most kids only want to do that once, but the other stuff--while it gets them life training, it also gets them OUT of practice, out of the sun, off the stadium stairs, etc. Combine the punishment with the character building if you want to truly and completely get your point across.
yeah, that was my problem with it. he didn't really "suspend" anyone. the players had to go through a bit of inconvenience and check a couple of boxes to get "back on" the team. im not sure a big lesson was learned.
True enough, but he didn't pretend that he was doing anything else, either. He didn't hold a press conference to announce the suspensions or anything of the like. We only know about this because the community thought that it was important to them, and the story caught on.
Even a "smiling cat" can become popular on the web.
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