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News Article: Utah HS FB Coach Suspends Entire Team

Special K said:
I wonder if some on this thread actually read the article or not. Every player on that team had an opportunity to earn his jersey back beginning 7 am the next morning. I promise you the ones who cared about that team - especially the ones who supposedly did nothing wrong - were there early. A team - a real team - is built on self-sacrifice, not self-assertion.
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So it's not really a suspension per se, it's that you wil get suspended for not showing up at 7 am and doing all the punishments the coach deems necessary
 
It's hard to value teamwork when society focuses on the "I" --

Imagine what Coach Stallings must feel when he reads articles like this -- especially when reflecting on his early days at A&M as a player.....
 
BamaPokerplayer said:
So your saying everybody is being treated equally here?
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I'll answer for him. Yes, everybody's being treated equally - they all have to do the same things to get their jerseys back - but not everyone is being treated fairly (i.e. some kids didn't do anything wrong). Friend, that's life for you. The earlier these kids learn it, the better off they'll be. It can't always be about me, sometimes I have to put myself, my desires, my ambitions, and yes even what I really deserve aside for the sake of others - my family, my team, my community, my employer, my church, and most of all my God. If you'd like a perfect example of what this is all about, see my signature. I promise you He didn't deserve the punishment he took on my behalf.
 
92tide said:
So it's not really a suspension per se, it's that you wil get suspended for not showing up at 7 am and doing all the punishments the coach deems necessary
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It is like a Saban suspension - it comes with a clear path for working your way back.
 
Special K said:
I'll answer for him. Yes, everybody's being treated equally - they all have to do the same things to get their jerseys back - but not everyone is being treated fairly (i.e. some kids didn't do anything wrong). Friend, that's life for you. The earlier these kids learn it, the better off they'll be. It can't always be about me, sometimes I have to put myself, my desires, my ambitions, and yes even what I really deserve aside for the sake of others - my family, my team, my community, my employer, my church, and most of all my God. If you'd like a perfect example of what this is all about, see my signature. I promise you He didn't deserve the punishment he took on my behalf.
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Okay and we agree the coach is trying to teach them this lesson.
The thing is come game day I bet everyone is not treated the "fairly".
 
B1GTide said:
Sorry, just trying to keep the mood light. I have answered your questions the only way that I know how. Maybe someone more articulate than me can do a better job.
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Its always light with me my friend. You are one of my favorite posters on here.
 
BamaPokerplayer said:
Okay and we agree the coach is trying to teach them this lesson.
The thing is come game day I bet everyone is not treated the "fairly".
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Of course playing time won't be based solely on who has the most character on the team, but that doesn't mean the "high character, low talent" guys are any less important - they just have a different role on the team. The scout team never plays on Saturday, but ask Coach Saban how valuable they are.
 
BamaPokerplayer said:
Okay and we agree the coach is trying to teach them this lesson.
The thing is come game day I bet everyone is not treated the "fairly".
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It appears that you have some jaded distorted view of this whole situation. But probably more correctly you take pleasure in antagonizing a position beyond anything approaching reality. Bottom line in life and in society we are all responsible to some degree for the actions/omissions of others. What better way to drive home that message to these guys? What's the incentive for holding people accountable to anything if they are only worried about themselves? Accountability only comes if I feel pain from your failure and vice versa. If my bosses make poor decisions regarding company management and the company closes down - I lose my job regardless whether I had any input or not. As for your gameday analogy, its the same as with any company - your paycheck largely depends someone else's ability to sell the product or service your company produces. You pay taxes and fund programs for folks who cant or wont be able to carry their fair share. Despite your contribution to anything in life, your survival and success will largely hinge on someone more talented than you.
 
BamaPokerplayer said:
The link I posted. The coach says he doesn't believed it involved many players and no player was proved guilty yet. I thought in the U.S. one needed proof.
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Last time I checked, sorta like this website, it's not a democracy (the football team that is..well maybe according to Lester @ LSU when you want one of your best player re-instated it is ;) ). I know some folks want everyone to get a trophy and be a winner but that's not the way the real world operates.
 
First: this remind me of the situation with Coach Ken Carter.

Second: The actions of the few affects the lives of the many. Those that had nothing to do with it will get a reminder on how their actions will have repercussions. Those that are guilty are getting a life lesson about said actions affects so man. All members of the team is getting something out of it. You win as a team, you lose as a team. Don't like that concept go and play a solo sport like tennis or golf.
 
JDCrimson said:
It appears that you have some jaded distorted view of this whole situation. But probably more correctly you take pleasure in antagonizing a position beyond anything approaching reality. Bottom line in life and in society we are all responsible to some degree for the actions/omissions of others. What better way to drive home that message to these guys? What's the incentive for holding people accountable to anything if they are only worried about themselves? Accountability only comes if I feel pain from your failure and vice versa. If my bosses make poor decisions regarding company management and the company closes down - I lose my job regardless whether I had any input or not. As for your gameday analogy, its the same as with any company - your paycheck largely depends someone else's ability to sell the product or service your company produces. You pay taxes and fund programs for folks who cant or wont be able to carry their fair share. Despite your contribution to anything in life, your survival and success will largely hinge on someone more talented than you.
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We were keeping working analogies out of this for various reasons.

If he is going to suspend the whole team because some people on the team made mistakes, then everyone should get equal playing time because they are part of team. I'm only asking why does the team concept great except with regards to playing time?
 
PokerPlayer, I play that game too. In that game teamwork isn't important (unless you are cheating). But on the field, and in life, we are often part of a community where what we do can affect everyone else. It seemed to me (I read the whole thread) that your thrust was to connect the inequity of this decision to playing time on the field. What you seem to miss is that on a REAL team, playing time depends on both ability and character. This coach is trying to instill a little character in some of his players who lack it. In the course of doing that he's teaching the whole team a character lesson. He will learn a lot about who is willing to make the kind of sacrifice that is necessary to win, and to win with class.

BTW, I loved the comment about Jesus and his willingness to go the extra mile for all of us who constantly fail to live up to his standards....
 
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