Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

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As a nation that is "supposed" to treat everyone equally, "we" should demand more than money for a violation of this type. Otherwise it is the rich being treated even more preferentially than they already are.
That is why it is illegal to take payment in exchange for dropping criminal charges. But we cannot force victims to testify, nor can we take away a victim's right to sue in civil court.
 

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Yes, but the question would be - is the case winnable? Without the girl's testimony, even with her statements when she made the police report, it would be nearly impossible to get a conviction.
The DA's office in your area must operate differently than here lol. Once the victim starts back peddling or recanting, it's over.
 

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Yes, but the question would be - is the case winnable? Without the girl's testimony, even with her statements when she made the police report, it would be nearly impossible to get a conviction.
The State couldn't even use her statements to police at trial. It'd be a violation of the Confrontation Clause (and hearsay); unless JW makes the witness go away (ie kills her) he could (rightfully) argue trying to use her statements without her live testimony is a violation of his constitutional rights. When I see family violence cases, the first thing I always try to figure out is if the victim is going to testify; if they aren't, the DA's office will eventually drop the matter.
 

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The DA's office in your area must operate differently than here lol. Once the victim starts back peddling or recanting, it's over.
Right, but not because they cannot prosecute, but because the cannot win. The state doesn't waste time on cases that it cannot win.
 

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Where did you hear this?
There's article on ESPN main page with the attorney's quotes in it. The DA in the case sounds pretty spineless from his comments in there as well. I suspect the DA's office is going to blame the lack of police investigation when they choose not to bring criminal charges.
 
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I am surprised that Winston didn't admit to the consensual sex right away. He knew from the police that they had DNA back in February.
 

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I feel like the only thing the prosecution needs to charge Winston is full cooperation from the victim. Why release that statement yesterday if you weren't going to give your full cooperation to the case?

DNA evidence confirm sexual contact between Winston and the accuser with testimony that she either never gave consent or removed consent has been strong enough to convict many men. I realize Winston has a big-shot lawyer so that weighs the balance more in the defense's favor to provide a convincing narrative of Winston's innocence. If the victim is not willing to provide statements in court, the family should have kept their mouths shut and let this story die.
 

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I am surprised that Winston didn't admit to the consensual sex right away. He knew from the police that they had DNA back in February.
He has done the correct thing and not admitted to anything. Force them to come up with the evidence first, and then come up with your story. I have seen no credible report that he has ever made a statement.
 

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He has done the correct thing and not admitted to anything. Force them to come up with the evidence first, and then come up with your story.
Yup, it's the police's job to bring forth evidence to convict you. You have no duty to help them in that regard.
 

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Oh I know that's my point. It's up to the victim on what happens in this case. So settle in... I'm betting she's going to get cold feet and say, "let$ let bygone$ be bygone$."
Frankly, I`ll be rather stunned if this isn`t the final outcome.
 
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From what I've gathered. There was no sexual contact whatsoever, now there was consensual contact. If that's the case why the need for DNA? Also, was he there was he not there? Was he in the same room, was he in the other room? Which is the real story?


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From the ESPN story:

Jansen said he's also submitted affidavits from two individuals who say they were with Winston and the accuser on the night in question.
"We have turned over our affidavits, and we're confident in the witnesses who were there," Jansen said.
It looks like Winston has not wasted the time that he has had since he was notified of this by the police back in February. I have no faith at all in the stories that his "witnesses" will tell. They have had months to get it together.

The more that I read, the more that I believe that they are going to make this girl out to be something ugly, and make Winston look like the victim here. And America, with its celebrity worshiping culture, is more than happy to believe it.
 

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It scares me to death to raise my little girl with the way the world is today! I know I'd move heaven and earth for my little girl and if she told me this I'd be crushed knowing she would have to live the rest of her life with that. And I'd be hunting for some payback!

In this case I'm sure there is fault all the way around, too much alcohol can make you do things you wouldn't normally do (her potentially being in the wrong place or flirting too much / him not stopping if no was said, etc)...I know that from first hand experience that I've done some stupid stuff drinking with the guys when I was younger but thankfully God was always watching out for me and He didn't let me step off a cliff too far. That still doesn't make it right to force someone for sex.

All that said, from what it appears so far is there was a massive cover up going on and that really makes him look guilty. I'd like to see justice come out on top, however that turns out to be.
 

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Next they will use the Wilt Chamberlain defense. There were so many that night, I didn't remember her.
 
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