Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

[selmaborntidefan]

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He's admitted they had sex. Now the question is what kind of other physical evidence do they have. If they have bruising or tearing, he's in deep.

I mean this is fairly standard rape trajectory. First you've never seen her before. Then yeah, you hung out. Then you had sex with her, but it was consensual.

My name is Kobe Bryant, and I approve of this message.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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Get's stranger all the time. Lawyer now says it wasn't concensual after he said it was: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-fsu-qb-winston-volunteered-160403384--ncaaf.html

I see a future candidate for office with explanations like this one.

 

[CullmanTide]

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This "article" reads like a mash-up of all the FSU fanboy spin that I've seen over the last few days. The only thing missing is the "fact" that the accuser has dropped out of FSU and transferred to Alabama.

Yes... I have seen that written by more than one person.

I also saw this posted: "FSU's fanbase is creepier than their quarterback."

I'm starting to think they are much like some of the neanderthal barners I know.

 

[BamaMoon]

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At the barn, without question; they proved it with $cam. I don't think Free Shoes U is up for a name change though; they will cut him loose if he is charged. The pressure against sweeping a major crime under the rug would be much greater than over being sold by your daddy for 200k.

Yeah, but prostitution is legal is some places, but rape is never legal, anywhere.

 

[BamaMoon]

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Just talking football: If JW is suspended, is FSU good enough to beat UF and then Duke or whoever in the ACCCG with what will be their 3rd string qb?

 

[rgw]

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Fret not though. If you just look at rape as "stealing sex" then he'd be eligible to play at auburn in a year or two.

 

[B1GTide]

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Just talking football: If JW is suspended, is FSU good enough to beat UF and then Duke or whoever in the ACCCG with what will be their 3rd string qb?

The team has enough talent. The real questions concerns their mind set without their "savior".

 

[selmaborntidefan]

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A lot of violent criminals have people who would swear by them. Most people keep their darker side a secret. Most children who are sexually abused are done so at the hands of trusted family members or friends. No one truly knows another person, or what they're capable of.

We had an example of this over in Mississippi several years back. A VERY popular highway patrolman (who had been given an award by President Clinton even) turned out to be a Jerry Sandusky. Less than 48 hours after confinement, he hung himself in his prison cell. And then DOZENS of women going back forty years turned up.

Media-made reputations are the most plastic and unreal of all.

A number of folks on here have commented about how they couldn't believe Winston would do this. But I doubt even ONE of you actually KNOWS Winston. You only know what you see on TV about him. And you don't know the "alleged victim" at all. And besides - Winston would not be the first guy to run off to college as a nice, polite young guy and learn he could get away with a lot merely because he could play football.

 

[BamaMoon]

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The team has enough talent. The real questions concerns their mind set without their "savior".

Muschamp will be salivating to beat FSU and, with his defensive saltiness, he could probably pull off the upset if FSU is playing the 3rd stringer.

 

[davefrat]

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i've tried more criminal cases than i can begin to count and i've never heard a prosecutor say that he won't bring a charge unless he has "a reasonable likelihood of a conviction" if the case is brought to trial. the process is as follows (unless florida operates in some odd fashion outside the rest of the country)
1. criminal charge/warrant based upon probable cause that a crime has been committed by the accused
2. presentment of charge to grand jury, which determines if there is probable cause to issue a true bill, and then if a true bill of indictment is issued...
3. trial at which the trier of fact determines if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction

to be sure, a prosecutor shouldn't bring charges if he doesn't think a person is actually guilty, but a "reasonable likelihood of conviction" and "probable cause" are not the same thing. the reality is that sometimes prosecutors have to try cases that they may not win but that justice requires be brought.

is there anyone here with specific knowledge of florida criminal procedure who can explain why this prosecutor said this?

 

[rgw]

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i've tried more criminal cases than i can begin to count and i've never heard a prosecutor say that he won't bring a charge unless he has "a reasonable likelihood of a conviction" if the case is brought to trial. the process is as follows (unless florida operates in some odd fashion outside the rest of the country)
1. criminal charge/warrant based upon probable cause that a crime has been committed by the accused
2. presentment of charge to grand jury, which determines if there is probable cause to issue a true bill, and then if a true bill of indictment is issued...
3. trial at which the trier of fact determines if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction

to be sure, a prosecutor shouldn't bring charges if he doesn't think a person is actually guilty, but a "reasonable likelihood of conviction" and "probable cause" are not the same thing. the reality is that sometimes prosecutors have to try cases that they may not win but that justice requires be brought.

is there anyone here with specific knowledge of florida criminal procedure who can explain why this prosecutor said this?

Wouldn't you agree that the known evidence against Winston would have been enough to cuff and charge any other normal citizen? I'd hate it if a vigilant had to do the state's job for them in this case.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

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Mrs. Snuffy is willing to bet me money he continues to play - charged or not.

 

[Rama Jama]

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To all the legal eagles. Does the states attorney wait till after the ACC championship to charge him? Then FSU gets to the BCSNCG and JW gets the Heisman.

I heard ESPN report that he would not file unless there was a likelihood of conviction. If so, that sounds to me that he is looking for an excuse not to bring charges.

 

[rgw]

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If Winston is charged and they still allow Winston on the field, every civil liberties and women's victim advocacy group should descend on Tallahassee. Needless to say, the human voters would need to take matters into their own hands and take them completely out of their polls.

 

[rgw]

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To all the legal eagles. Does the states attorney wait till after the ACC championship to charge him? Then FSU gets to the BCSNCG and JW gets the Heisman.

I heard ESPN report that he would not file unless there was a likelihood of conviction. If so, that sounds to me that he will not bring charges.

You know, I really don't think Jameis is going to win the Heisman anymore. The ballots just came out, so there aren't any early pre-allegation ballots out there. I think Manziel, McCarron, and Petty are the frontrunners. Rightly, in this case, the court of public appeal has pegged Winston as a rapist.

 

[Ldlane]

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Orlando Sentinel:

Jameis Winston may not be suspended if charged in assault case

If Winston is charged and they still allow Winston on the field, every civil liberties and women's victim advocacy group should descend on Tallahassee. Needless to say, the human voters would need to take matters into their own hands and take them completely out of their polls.

 

[rgw]

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Sorry for bombing this topic with posts, everyone, but I think a context we forget about this case is a rape allegation against one of FSU's WRs earlier this year where the suspect was exonerated of the charges. Of course, I think this previous case had some circumstances unlike this Winston case. The accuser was a long-time companion of the receiver and her story didn't hold up under a critical eye. It was actually the common "rape doubter" situation when stars are accused: she was a jilted lover with an ax to grind. Right now, though I suspect this case is different, we don't know the prior relationship between Winston and the accuser.

Almost all incidents of rape are between two people who know each other at some level. I think it is fair to assume that Winston didn't go into some sex-crazed frenzy and overwhelmed the first attractive woman his eyes came across. Winston very likely had some prior relationship with the accuser, but the question is what kind of relationship was it and whether this relationship had prior consensual sexual contact. To be sure, consenting once does not consent in the future but it does give credence to the idea that the accuser may have other motives.

Meggs is supposedly tough on crime and he has a reputation for aggressively pursuing charges against athletes - which may be why the TPD tried to make this case go away and never made the prosecution aware of the complaint - but you always want to measure twice after being burned once.

 

[rgw]

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Orlando Sentinel:

Jameis Winston may not be suspended if charged in assault case

If charges come and FSU chooses to keep him on the field, I hope the moral authorities in the media put their talking heads to use for once. This would be a black eye on the sport even if he is eventually found innocent.

 

[im4uainva]

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Orlando Sentinel:

Jameis Winston may not be suspended if charged in assault case

"Winston’s attorney, Tim Jansen, said the quarterback has denied all accusations he assaulted the woman".

Wow! What a revelation! What would happen if he admitted to the act? It has become the norm regardless of the situation to always, ALWAYS, declare one's innocence in the face of prosecution and then let the chips fall where they may. What does he have to lose by declaring his innocence? What would he lose if he openly admiited, 'Yeah, I took advantage, so what'! No brainer! No sir, "I did not have sex with that woman".

 

[CrimsonNagus]

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That Orlando Sentinel article brings nothing new to the table. It just prints the FSU policy and then speculates.


Also, about the article from Yardbarker posted earlier, I have never even heard of that website until that post so, why do we even care what some random blogger thinks?