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This is my first post as a new member. I was registered before, but had to re-register due to some problems. With that said, I have a question for my fellow tide fans.

Bama claims 16 titles. Most are legitimate, but a few are questionable at best. 1941 jumps out. So how many titles can we claim without making a defense for them. And before it comes out, I understand about 1966.

Roll Tide and here is to making it 17!!!
 
ALL 16 NC's were, at the time they were awarded, given by organizations that were nationally recognized as legitimate, bonafide selectors for the award and are all recognized by the governing body of the sport, the NCAA.

Looking at it from today's perspective, the 1941, 1965, and 1973 titles might seem to us individually to be suspect, but they were legitimately awarded AT THE TIME and hence the university has made the decision to recognize them.
 
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The only questionable national championship we have is 1941. There have been several threads on this subject in the past. On the other hand...Bama does not claim 1945....10-0 Rose Bowl champion, or 1966 ...11-0 Sugar Bowl champion (and pre-season #1 and only undefeated and untied team), or 1977 ....11-1 Sugar Bowl champion!
 
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This is my first post as a new member. I was registered before, but had to re-register due to some problems. With that said, I have a question for my fellow tide fans.

Bama claims 16 titles. Most are legitimate, but a few are questionable at best. 1941 jumps out. So how many titles can we claim without making a defense for them. And before it comes out, I understand about 1966.

Roll Tide and here is to making it 17!!!

I suggest you go read on the internet. Not being ugly, but for a first post its a bit negative. This board is not for trash or negative fans. If I am wrong I apologize. And I nothing her but a member. But we just win them let everyone else count them. RTR
 
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This isn't a negative thread and I apologize if it came off that way. It is just a question.

I have bought and read every book I can get my hands on, read enough articles (both "pro and con"), and heard all the envious arguments from UGa and AU fans that I care to. I have my own opinions, and because I asked the question, I didn't want to state them and lead anyone to a specific answer.
 
The three question marks definitely says "legit bama fan sincerely curious".
Thank you and I am. Our new neighborhood now knows exactly when Bama kicks off/receives the opening kick off, when we make a first down, a great defensive play, when we score, and they certainly know when we win!!!
 
Not sure why so many folks care how many we claim. I have yet to meet a Bama fan who questions whether it's legit or not. Back in the day there was no AP, no UPI, no BCS, no CFP.

There were championships claimed from dozens of sources.
 
The years where we finished #1 but lost the bowl game: That is how the system worked. People forget that bowl games were mainly seen as exhibitions and 1 v. 2 games very rarely happened. Teams and players just had a different outlook on the games back then...and if you've already been crowned, it could take some of the edge away from the bowl game. Complaining about these claims is fertile ground for jabbing at any school with championship history in the pre-bowl final poll eras for the AP and Coaches Polls. It is the way it is.

The pre-poll era claims: All Rose Bowl wins. A lot of schools do the same thing.

Claims since 1992: Indisputable, all of them were Bowl Alliance, BCS, or CFP titles in 1 v. 2 championship/bowl games.

1941 is the sticking point because it was in the poll era but not from one of the major reputable polls: the AP (Media) or AFCA (Coaches).



Considering Alabama was jobbed in 1966 by Notre Dame and Michigan State, I don't really bother complaining too much about 1941. I can't deny the gripes but there is nothing keeping schools from claiming pre-1950 titles. Since 1950, the NCAA established consensus champions through a set of major polls.
 
Definitely an interesting first post. Whenever I get into discussions about this (usually with jealous Auburn fans), I fall back on the fact that there is basically the pre-WW2 era and the post.

After WW2, Bama has 10 AP national titles and 1 UPI national title. The only UPI title came in 1973, when UPI named its national champions prior to the bowl games. You might get some who quibble about the UPI title, but it was considered a legitimate source back then. Few reasonable people will really argue that point.

The problem comes prior to WW2, the time period which accounts for 5 national titles that Alabama claims. AP didn't begin naming a national champion until 1936. Alabama, of course, claims 1941, which is a matter of great debate among those who want to cast doubt about our national titles. There's probably some merit to the 1941 argument. However, the other titles claimed came before 1936, which means that a number of organizations were naming national champions. This is kind of the Wild West of the national title era, because so many teams could (probably legitimately) claim a title in this era.

The way I look at it, 11 of Alabama's claimed 16 national titles are not under dispute by reasonable people. And what makes this better is that those 11 titles came in the post-war era, meaning there were real football programs and a relatively modern game. If anyone wants to dispute the other five, that's fine. But if you're going to cast doubt on Alabama's early titles, you have to do the same for Notre Dame's three titles claimed before the AP poll. You have to do the same for Michigan, which claims EIGHT of its eleven national titles before the AP poll era. Treat everyone fairly and we still kick their ... in national titles. Roll Tide.
 
This isn't a negative thread and I apologize if it came off that way. It is just a question.

I have bought and read every book I can get my hands on, read enough articles (both "pro and con"), and heard all the envious arguments from UGa and AU fans that I care to. I have my own opinions, and because I asked the question, I didn't want to state them and lead anyone to a specific answer.

Ok ill bite, if you have read all those books then why ask the questions?
 
The only ones i think about are the ones i experienced as a fan-
92,09,11,12,15

Those old championships that pre date the Bryant era were under different systems and a lot of current Alabama fans weren't even born yet.

The correct answer if someone ask how many championships Bama has is- "more than your school" and thats true if we count 1941 or not.
 
When Aubie tells me I am a T-shirt fan I just smile :smile:and tell them that Alabama fans get to pick our shirts and our team but the only Auburn fans are those Alums who have to be for Auburn because they have no choice, seeing as how they went to school there.

When Aubie tells me we only have a handful of real titles I just laugh :smile:and tell them when you are as powerful as Bama is you can claim as many titles as you want, and no one, event he NCAA can stop us.

The laughter really get to them because they are trying to put a frown on my face :smile:
 
And I still contend that Bama had a legitimate claim for the 1977 season. But the media's darling, ND, was able to leap from #5 to #1 over a #3 Bama after No's 1 & 2 bit the dust (granted, IIRC, ND did beat No1 Texas)
 
One thing is abundantly clear - Alabama is the gold standard in college football and the sport is better for it. Quibble over the exact number if you need to, but I am not sure how that discussion even matters anymore.
 
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