2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

Re: Can Trump Really Win the Presidency?

Clinton may be the best President since Reagan, but that's not exactly a high threshold, either. I would further argue that the best thing that happened to Clinton was his party losing both houses in 1994. I don't know the level of accuracy to the claims but - more than one pundit who was familiar with Clinton said that the 'real Clinton' was the moderate President of 1995-2001, not the dart far to the left nutbag who oversaw 1993-94. I think Clinton came to Washington without any REAL political experience in the sense of dealing with the opposition. He was in basically a one party state and never had to compromise if he didn't want to do so. He shows up in DC and looks at the 57-43 Senate and the House his party had owned since 1955 and figures, "This is gonna be easy."

Dick Morris claimed in 1997 that he had literally told Clinton that he needed to immediately reach out to the GOP conservatives and include them in some of his budget planning. The claim is that Clinton basically snorted back to him that the GOP regarded him as 'an accident in a three-man race' and 'an illegitimate President' - but Morris then warned him (so he claims for what that's worth) 'if you go running to that Left crowd, you won't even recognize yourself in 30 days.' When Morris came in after the 1994 blowout, he told Clinton he needed to negotiate with Newt and (later on) Trent Lott, saying that as Southern-raised men they had more in common than they had different.

But I think Clinton benefited from being pulled back to the center - he was a generally popular President through the rest of his term although a lot of folks really were disgusted at that personal issue.

Reagan, too, benefited from the fact that the Democrats owned the House - he had dealt with the opposition in California as well, plus he had been a union President as well. When the same party owns it top to bottom, there seems to be no stop valve on the nonsense. Bush Jr got a free pass because of 9/11 that lasted five years.

but the end result is, they both did it. and that's probably the nicest thing i will ever say about reagan
 
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I don't disagree with any of this

doesn't change my point even slightly

the US doesn't end with Hillary same as it didn't under Bill. She'll be terrible, no doubt but at least we understand what her terrible is.

We have no idea what Trump will do, none other than that in the end it will most certainly only benefit Trump

Actually we probably do. A trump presidency would be 4 years in which the congress would decide everything because no congressman outside the far righters like trump so they would block all the crap he might try. The only worry I have with trump is how he would make us look on foreign policy.

choosing between trump and Hillary is hard, but ultimately I vote write in because America is the big loser for 4 years regardless of the outcome.
 
Re: Can Trump Really Win the Presidency?

Actually we probably do. A trump presidency would be 4 years in which the congress would decide everything because no congressman outside the far righters like trump so they would block all the crap he might try. The only worry I have with trump is how he would make us look on foreign policy.

choosing between trump and Hillary is hard, but ultimately I vote write in because America is the big loser for 4 years regardless of the outcome.

we can't go 5 years with an empty seat on the court, they'll have to accept somebody he nominates eventually. You ready for Judge Judy on the court, for life?
 
Can Trump Really Win the Presidency?

we can't go 5 years with an empty seat on the court, they'll have to accept somebody he nominates eventually. You ready for Judge Judy on the court, for life?

Unfortunately, she'd be better than Sotomayor, Ginsburg, Kagan, Roberts, or O'Connor. Sadly, the bar for Supreme Court Justice is very low.
 
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Re: Can Trump Really Win the Presidency?

Ehh

I was told Bill would kill the country


He didn't and in fact he's arguably the best President since Reagan

On Trump I agree

There was only one president between Reagan and Clinton.
 
Re: Can Trump Really Win the Presidency?

we can't go 5 years with an empty seat on the court, they'll have to accept somebody he nominates eventually. You ready for Judge Judy on the court, for life?

The court doesn't have to have 9 justices.
 
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Jon said:
we can't go 5 years with an empty seat on the court, they'll have to accept somebody he nominates eventually. You ready for Judge Judy on the court, for life?

Don't get me started on Judge Judy. With her demeanor, she should have stepped down years ago.
 
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we can't go 5 years with an empty seat on the court, they'll have to accept somebody he nominates eventually. You ready for Judge Judy on the court, for life?

Also, if you really want me to ruin the movie titled "Republican Politics 2016" for you I will. Let's just say between June and October Paul Ryan is going to villanize McConnell, Cruz, and the rest of the far rights and force them to confirm Merrick Garland. He is going to do it to postition himself for the future and to get rid of the people that made trump possible. He also is going to say confirming Garland is a victory because had they not then they would get Hillary's far left judge instead of Obama's moderate left one. Either Ryan is going to be the face of the new republican party or he is going to decide who it will be come 2020.
 
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Neither Bush will endorse Trump

Interesting. I'm not really surprised at the relationship between the Bushes and Clintons either. W. referred to Hillary as his "sister" on several occasions because of the closeness of the families.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...sh-plan-to-sit-out-2016-general-election.html

I don't know if Trump is truly an "insider" or not, but he certainly runs in those circles. Maybe Trump will finish off what Daddy, Willy, W. & O have been carrying on. Driving our country deeper in debt with meaningless wars while at the same time, shipping our economic base overseas and creating a majority of government dependent sheep.
 
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Interesting. I'm not really surprised at the relationship between the Bushes and Clintons either. W. referred to Hillary as his "sister" on several occasions because of the closeness of the families.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...sh-plan-to-sit-out-2016-general-election.html

I don't know if Trump is truly an "insider" or not, but he certainly runs in those circles. Maybe Trump will finish off what Daddy, Willy, W. & O have been carrying on. Driving our country deeper in debt with meaningless wars while at the same time, shipping our economic base overseas and creating a majority of government dependent sheep.
He certainly believes in a firm hand. All of his positions scream "bigger government."
 
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He certainly believes in a firm hand. All of his positions scream "bigger government."

Unfortunately. Maybe he'll surprise us. Hillary, on the other hand, is about continuing the status quo and expanding government's role in our lives. Her positions were well documented back in 92/93.
 
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