Former Klansman Who Bombed 16th Street Church Up For Parole

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Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr. was a young Ku Klux Klansman with a reputation for hating blacks in 1963, when a bomb ripped a hole in the side of 16th Street Baptist Church, killing four black girls during the civil rights movement.

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So 15 years for four murders......I suspect (and hope) that Blanton will be denied parole. Aside from the significance of that killing in the larger picture of the Civil Rights movement, the argument "well, he's old and not a threat" is to my mind irrelevant given that he didn't even go to prison until 38 years afterward. Seems to me he had plenty of freedom he didn't deserve already.

(This is one time - we know who did it WITHOUT A DOUBT and multiple murders - when I seriously wouldn't mind execution as the guy's punishment).
 

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The political climate was such back then, particularly in Jefferson County, that no one expected any action - ever. My ex-wife is from there and the emotion in her own family about racial divide was a real eye-opener for me. Huntsville had already started taking baby steps towards integration in schools and public accommodations on its own, accompanied by threats from the legislature and Wallace for repercussions. As one of the original black NASA scientists said recently, they used to caution each other that "when you step outside Huntsville, you're back in Alabama."
 

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The political climate was such back then, particularly in Jefferson County, that no one expected any action - ever. My ex-wife is from there and the emotion in her own family about racial divide was a real eye-opener for me. Huntsville had already started taking baby steps towards integration in schools and public accommodations on its own, accompanied by threats from the legislature and Wallace for repercussions. As one of the original black NASA scientists said recently, they used to caution each other that "when you step outside Huntsville, you're back in Alabama."
Dinesh D'souza should have added this to his movie: HiLIARy's America: .......

The evil men (Democrats) involved in this bombing should NEVER see the light of day. May they ROAST in HELL!
 

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He has a parole hearing because the law says he can. No way is the parole board going to risk the fallout by letting him go.

I can't believe his original sentence allowed for parole in the first place. He killed four little girls and it could have been much worse. The bombing gave the state a reputation it carries to this day.


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Dinesh D'souza should have added this to his movie: HiLIARy's America: .......

The evil men (Democrats) involved in this bombing should NEVER see the light of day. May they ROAST in HELL!
There were virtually no Republicans back then. The "evil men" just later changed parties...
 
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That shows a total lack of understanding of political labels back ever.
FIFY.

This is the parallel to Jon's argument about religious killing (which I agreed with basically). There's a difference (ideologically speaking, not in outcome) between being a CHRISTIAN (or any other religion) who kills for whatever reason and killing someone BECAUSE you are a Christian (or any other religion) and think that's what you're supposed to do because of the religion. Eric Rudolph is correctly designated a Christian terrorist in that he professes to be a Christian and commits terror acts thinking he will be rewarded by his Deity; a former friend of mine on death row in Alabama who murdered an 11-year old boy and his father to steal their truck and commit a robbery is a murderer who claims to be a Christian, NOT a Christian terrorist.

The party label here is irrelevant unless someone can show they killed "for/in the name of the Democratic Party," which they did not. They were racists and murderers and Klansmen, but they just happened to be Democrats like 90% of the South back in 1963.
 

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The political climate was such back then, particularly in Jefferson County, that no one expected any action - ever. My ex-wife is from there and the emotion in her own family about racial divide was a real eye-opener for me. Huntsville had already started taking baby steps towards integration in schools and public accommodations on its own, accompanied by threats from the legislature and Wallace for repercussions. As one of the original black NASA scientists said recently, they used to caution each other that "when you step outside Huntsville, you're back in Alabama."
It's interesting you bring this up because my own upbringing on racial issues is rather complex. Dad is from rural Missouri, and Mom spent her first 18 years in Lanett, where she never had a black classmate (they integrated in the Fall of 1965 after she graduated in the spring), and four years at Judson College in Marion, a private (mostly white if not all-white then) Christian school. Meanwhile, I grew up in the military community where by the mid-1970s when I began school we were ridding (our) world of being allowed to view everything through a prism of race (not that we always succeeded). My best friends my first three years of elementary school were two white dudes, a Hispanic kid, and several black kids.

WE NEVER CARED about any of that stuff at the time. My folks never once told me I couldn't go to Darryl's house because of anything (except maybe I had chores to do). So I never thought anything about it.


Then we moved to Illinois in 1978. On the military base, no problems whatsoever. Off the base in the civilian community, I got confronted with stuff I never entertained, including some words that should not be used (people always are aghast when I point out to them my first indoctrination in that stuff was up north). The next year, we moved to Mississippi (for the second time) and I had an experience every white person probably needs - I was one of only FOUR white boys in a class of 35 students. A very small minority. I adjusted and although there were a couple of 'cultural misunderstandings' (sociological?), we all got along great.

So when I first saw and began to learn about things like "Crisis at Central High" or a show I saw about the integration at UA and Wallace's stand in the door, I'm looking at it thinking, "This cannot be real." And then Mom tells me it was VERY real and she lived through it......although the distance from Lanett to Tuscaloosa back then was about like the distance (comprehension wise) from the USA to the Third World. I'll say that Mom's family was perhaps 'lax' on civil rights - what I mean is, they didn't want to harm anyone but probably didn't care one way or the other about rights and resented the feeling of being 'forced' into a pluralistic society. They treated black individuals VERY well - just the same as whites, and I never got the old 'talk bad about the person when he leaves.' And my grandmother (born 1904) used the 'n' word but I never got FROM HER that it was in a malicious sense (e.g. she grew up using that word to describe a group of people pre-Depression and never stopped using it).

I did, however, learn the malice and strong oomph from others who used that word.

So I was mostly confused except I was always taught to treat people right. (The political thing is another matter altogether).

My best friend in college was the reporter who cornered Haley Barbour about five years ago over the Confederate flag license plate proposal. We went everywhere together, walked together. In two years at that school NOT ONE PERSON gave me a hassle about hanging around with him - but he got no end of grief from people of his own race for hanging out with me. (Don't worry, about to tie it all together).


In 1988, "Mississippi Burning" came out and an 18-year old white freshman journalism major wrote a scathing review of the movie because.....she took it personally. She actually insisted that none of what was in the movie could have been real and it made every white Mississippian on the planet look like a racist. So - of course - I asked Mom, who went to see it (first movie she and Dad went to together since he ticked her off by explaining how "The Towering Inferno" was fake DURING the movie, ha ha).

She made the point it was EXACTLY (in terms of maltreatment of blacks) representative of the time - with violence, killing, attacks, etc. Then she went into one of her few political subjects she ever talks about, what a lying little weasel George Wallace was. Her claim - and I don't know if this is true - was that Wallace had publicly said he would go to jail before he'd let them integrate the university. Of course, we all know what happened - but she said that he either should have not made such a public spectacle of himself or he should have actually gone to the slammer - anything but what he did. (Of course, we're both aware there was a bigger agenda in Wallace's mind).

But this particular subject makes me angry (the church girls's murder). Mom would concur with Earle that there was no chance in the 1960s those Klansmen would go to jail. Maybe (and I HATE to say this) it was at least better that it was delayed so they weren't found 'not guilty' (a la OJ) and could not be imprisoned. But I just really despise the whole thing.

Thank you for your indulgence.
 

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Dinesh D'souza should have added this to his movie: HiLIARy's America: .......

The evil men (Democrats) involved in this bombing should NEVER see the light of day. May they ROAST in HELL!
What would a church bombing when Hillary Clinton was 15 years old have to do with her????

She was only one year older than three of the girls who were murdered. I'm as much a Hillary critic as anyone, but putting this story in a movie about Hillary would be like putting the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in the Crusades.
 

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I can't quote it here, but Bill Baxley's response to the KKK when they sent him a nasty letter for investigating the case was epic.


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I can't quote it here, but Bill Baxley's response to the KKK when they sent him a nasty letter for investigating the case was epic.


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It was the same letter Billy the Kid used as the PS to the governor in "Young Guns."
 

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But this particular subject makes me angry (the church girls's murder). Mom would concur with Earle that there was no chance in the 1960s those Klansmen would go to jail. Maybe (and I HATE to say this) it was at least better that it was delayed so they weren't found 'not guilty' (a la OJ) and could not be imprisoned.
That is actually a really good point. If the matter had gone to trial before a certain point in time, they might have (would have?) been acquitted.
The only thing worse for Alabama than having that bomb attack happen in Alabama would have been to acquit the perps at a trial in Alabama.
 

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That is actually a really good point. If the matter had gone to trial before a certain point in time, they might have (would have?) been acquitted.
The only thing worse for Alabama than having that bomb attack happen in Alabama would have been to acquit the perps at a trial in Alabama.
That's what really irks me about it (other than the obvious).

I'll admit I have a hard time understanding why someone's mere color causes someone to hate them, but if you just leave it at personal distaste or 'I don't want to hang around,' well so be it.

I've just REALLY never been able to understand the whole "well, since so and so was white and all he really killed was a black person, we're gonna find him innocent." I'm guessing (trying to put on my Klan hood here) that you had to worry about retribution if you didn't vote a certain way or perhaps economics as well.

I didn't understand it when I read about those cases, and the only thing I understood when the OJ jury did it was that it was retribution (as has now been admitted).
 

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My dad was an Air Force pilot stationed in Birmingham for a number of years. I lived there as a kid when the bombing took place. I was only 4 yrs old at the time and we moved away when I was in the 3rd grade so I was just old enough to remember some of the stuff going on then.

My mother grew up near Moundville, AL but most of her family had moved from the country to Birmingham (and elsewhere) by the time we moved to BHM. My dad was from the Florida panhandle so both grew up in the Deep South but always taught us that all people are the same. I had a lot of experiences similar to Selmaborntidefan when growing up; I'm white as well.
 
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What would a church bombing when Hillary Clinton was 15 years old have to do with her????

She was only one year older than three of the girls who were murdered. I'm as much a Hillary critic as anyone, but putting this story in a movie about Hillary would be like putting the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in the Crusades.
I guess you don't know the entire title of that documentary movie by Dinesh D'Souza. Look at the subtitle. It's about corruption and racism in the Democratic Party going back to the time of Andrew Jackson with his racist Trail of Tears and moving forward through all the years of the racist Democratic Party pro-slavery, etc. You'd think they are not racists to hear them talk, but their current Plantation is the inner city ghettos.

There should be NO ghettos in the USA. We should ALL have an EQUAL opportunity to achieve our American dreams. With a dumbed down educational system, this is not possible. They just want to be the ELITE and the rest of us peons.
 

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I guess you don't know the entire title of that documentary movie by Dinesh D'Souza. Look at the subtitle. It's about corruption and racism in the Democratic Party going back to the time of Andrew Jackson with his racist Trail of Tears and moving forward through all the years of the racist Democratic Party pro-slavery, etc. You'd think they are not racists to hear them talk, but their current Plantation is the inner city ghettos.

There should be NO ghettos in the USA. We should ALL have an EQUAL opportunity to achieve our American dreams. With a dumbed down educational system, this is not possible. They just want to be the ELITE and the rest of us peons.
I guess that must be the reason black people are overwhelmingly Democratic, right?
 

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The Democrats are very good at twisting anything said by a Republican into something racist. The Republicans see that many voters fall for the rhetoric. The Republicans are doing a sloppy job of trying the same tactic. The whole thing is ridiculous.
 

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Ronald Kessler, Inside the White House, (NY: Simon & Schuster, 1995), p. 33.
Kessler interview with Robert M. MacMillan, steward on Air Force On:
During one trip, Johnson was discussing his proposed civil rights bill with two governors. Explaining why it was so important to him, he said it was simple: “I’ll have them [African-Americans]* voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
Maybe LBJ really was appalled by the racist violence gong on (heck, what decent person wouldn't be appalled by four girls blown up in a church?), but there seems to have been more than a little political calculus going on as well.
As for black voting patterns, my own view is that the Democrats went from their former position (government-mandate discrimination against black people), which they had held pretty much since the end of Reconstruction because black people were voting overwhelmingly Republican, to the other incorrect position (government-mandate discrimination in favor of black people.)
The opposite of government-mandated discrimination against black people is not government-mandated discrimination in favor of black people. The proper position is to end racially-based discrimination completely. Period.
The Democrats, by the early 1970s came to the position of "positive discrimination" or "affirmative action," which is merely government-mandated racial discrimination. I understand the rationale behind "affirmative action" (racial stereotypes and windows of opportunity closed to minorities meant that a lot of white Americans literally could not imagine a black person being successful, qualified, effective, etc. in some jobs). Whatever merits it once had, the fact that an African-American currently works in the Oval Office negates that premise. Racial discrimination is wrong, it is disgusting and it is well past time it end.
The Democrats were wrong to support discrimination against black people in the Progressive Era, and they are wrong to support racial discrimination now, but significant portions of the African-American community are seduced by the argument, despite the fact that it substantially undermines the equal-protection clause of the XIV Amendment.


* Despite left-wingers' exasperation at the fact, LBJ, coming of age in an early 20th century southern state, was quite comfortable using racial epithets in private to refer to African-Americans.
 
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