QB Competition 2018

[RollTide_HTTR]

I have not read all the post on this.... but one thing to keep in mind in talking about Jalen and his passing game.... he has only thrown 1 int all year... the lack of turnovers in passing is significant....I would much rather watch Jalen take a sack or run for no gain that to throw two or three pics..... turnovers are huge! Even back in High School, Jalen was a winner..... and he still is. Tua could be great, and hopefully we will see him in the future..... but losing 2 games in two years...... WONDERFUL.... when we beat Clemson, then let's talk....about this...

Wins are a team accomplishment not an individual one. For example, Jalen didn't beat Washington in the playoffs last year, Bo and the D did.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I have not read all the post on this.... but one thing to keep in mind in talking about Jalen and his passing game.... he has only thrown 1 int all year... the lack of turnovers in passing is significant....I would much rather watch Jalen take a sack or run for no gain that to throw two or three pics..... turnovers are huge! Even back in High School, Jalen was a winner..... and he still is. Tua could be great, and hopefully we will see him in the future..... but losing 2 games in two years...... WONDERFUL.... when we beat Clemson, then let's talk....about this...

No, we will keep talking about it, but, since you don't talk very much, anyway...

 

[BamaMoon]

I have not read all the post on this.... but one thing to keep in mind in talking about Jalen and his passing game.... he has only thrown 1 int all year... the lack of turnovers in passing is significant....I would much rather watch Jalen take a sack or run for no gain that to throw two or three pics..... turnovers are huge! Even back in High School, Jalen was a winner..... and he still is. Tua could be great, and hopefully we will see him in the future..... but losing 2 games in two years...... WONDERFUL.... when we beat Clemson, then let's talk....about this...

Actually, the fact that he's only thrown 1 INT this year IS part of the problem. You should probably go back and read some of this thread if you want to know why.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Are these types of throws "pre-snap" reads? Or, is there a signal that comes from the sideline to indicate the hot route?

I'd think the easiest is pre-snap reads. If Jalen gets a certain "look" then it's automatic he goes "here" with the ball. That "here" might be a quick throw to the WR on the outside or a quick throw to a slot wr. Much like on defense, I know the defense is taught on certain "looks" it is automatic "this player does this" and "that player does that". Regardless of what the original defensive play was pre-snap. Every time they give "this look" we're going to do "this".

But the concept I'm getting at is this. We've got some of the best pure athletes at the skilled position in the country. Take advantage of that. Put our guys in one on one situations where they have the opportunity to let their strengths shine. Put our guys in situations where they can let their athletic ability take over rather than having to think so much. Simplify so they can electrify. I don't have all the answers. I'm not skilled enough on that level to truly give credible input. But I do know this. We can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results. This WILL BE the best defense we face all year. We have to play toward EVERY STRENGTH we have.

 

[gman4tide]

Actually, the fact that he's only thrown 1 INT this year IS part of the problem. You should probably go back and read some of this thread if you want to know why.

Exactly. Risk v Reward. If you knew Tua would have thrown for 3 td's vs 1 pick in the barn game...would you rather have left Jalen in?

 

[RTR91]

Yes, this play is from AJ's redshirt sophomore year, so he had one more year in college over Jalen at the moment. But AJ was only in his second career start and on the road.

Does anyone see Jalen making this throw, though?

AJ completed 66.8% of his passes at Alabama. He had 15 career INTs.

Jalen completed 62.1% of his passes thus far and has 10 career INTs.

Meant to include a followup stat to tie the above together - AJ threw an INT every 68.4 passes while Jalen has thrown one every 60.4 passes.

Let's not act like Jalen's low INT numbers are out of the ordinary. We've had a gunslinger mentality at QB with better numbers.

 

[BamaMoon]

Yes, this play is from AJ's redshirt sophomore year, so he had one more year in college over Jalen at the moment. But AJ was only in his second career start and on the road.

Does anyone see Jalen making this throw, though?

AJ completed 66.8% of his passes at Alabama. He had 15 career INTs.

Jalen completed 62.1% of his passes thus far and has 10 career INTs.

No, he wouldn't, but I know another current qb who probably would....just as accurately!

 

[LA4Bama]

Yes, this play is from AJ's redshirt sophomore year, so he had one more year in college over Jalen at the moment. But AJ was only in his second career start and on the road.

Does anyone see Jalen making this throw, though?

AJ completed 66.8% of his passes at Alabama. He had 15 career INTs.

Jalen completed 62.1% of his passes thus far and has 10 career INTs.

Meant to include a followup stat to tie the above together - AJ threw an INT every 68.4 passes while Jalen has thrown one every 60.4 passes.

Let's not act like Jalen's low INT numbers are out of the ordinary. We've had a gunslinger mentality at QB with better numbers.

Jalen would absolutely throw that pass (to Calvin Ridley).

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Yes, this play is from AJ's redshirt sophomore year, so he had one more year in college over Jalen at the moment. But AJ was only in his second career start and on the road.

Does anyone see Jalen making this throw, though?

AJ completed 66.8% of his passes at Alabama. He had 15 career INTs.

Jalen completed 62.1% of his passes thus far and has 10 career INTs.

Meant to include a followup stat to tie the above together - AJ threw an INT every 68.4 passes while Jalen has thrown one every 60.4 passes.

Let's not act like Jalen's low INT numbers are out of the ordinary. We've had a gunslinger mentality at QB with better numbers.

Yea, no way JH throws that ball. He would hold on to it and roll out and either try to run or chuck it kinda sorta near a guy.

 

[mlh]

Well, it's the TE so, no, Jalen wouldn't have thrown that pass. Neither would Tua because we don't throw to our TE.

 

[AlBamaWagg]

So are you saying Kiffin should have been coaching in the NC game last season?

I do believe we have a better chance to win the game with him calling plays, but my point above was that you can't blame him for something he wasn't part of. He and CNS were obviously in conflict and CNS exercised his authority and his right to make a decision to turn it over to Sarkisian for the final game. From that time on it's CSS and the staff, not CLK, like him or not. I base my belief(on the first sentence) on what the offense and team accomplished under him from his arrival to his termination and what he's done since at FAU. Then I simply plug the Championship game into the sequence and feel good about the possibility. On this board, I know I'm in the minority, and that's okay. It's an opinion board, and I respect others' whether I agree with them or not.

 

[B1GTide]

Yes, this play is from AJ's redshirt sophomore year, so he had one more year in college over Jalen at the moment. But AJ was only in his second career start and on the road.

Does anyone see Jalen making this throw, though?

To your point, no - he does not trust his arm enough.

 

[Con]

To your point, no - he does not trust his arm enough.

And I feel that he has the arm to get it there, but just hesitates just that little bit.

 

[Moro Creek]

There have been many good posts in this thread both pro and con on Jalen and Tua. I will give my thoughts on the QB situation (my thoughts and five bucks will get a cup of coffee at Starbucks).

1) It is my belief that Tua should play significantly in the playoffs and be our starter in the spring.
2) I believe that Tua is the best QB talent we have recruited in many years and that he is better
(actually Much better) than Jalen. I think Tua knows he is better than Jalen and knows he
should be in a greater role.
3) Items 1 will not happen. As Earle pointed out in one of his post, Coach is very loyal to his
players and coaches. I do not believe there will be a competition in the spring at QB. Jalen will
be our QB for the next two years. Just don't think Coach will replace him.
4) What will happen to Tua? If I am correct on item #3, he will walk.
5) We are putting a full court press on Jones to flip his commitment because of the possibility of
#4 happening.
6) I hope I'm wrong on item #3 & 4.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

And I feel that he has the arm to get it there, but just hesitates just that little bit.

That's the frustrating thing about him IMO. He has the arm strength and mobility to be an elite QB. His potential based on physical ability is sky high but I don't think he can or will reach that.

 

[RTR91]

To your point, no - he does not trust his arm enough.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's that.

There have been many good posts in this thread both pro and con on Jalen and Tua. I will give my thoughts on the QB situation (my thoughts and five bucks will get a cup of coffee at Starbucks).

1) It is my belief that Tua should play significantly in the playoffs and be our starter in the spring.
2) I believe that Tua is the best QB talent we have recruited in many years and that he is better
(actually Much better) than Jalen. I think Tua knows he is better than Jalen and knows he
should be in a greater role.
3) Items 1 will not happen. As Earle pointed out in one of his post, Coach is very loyal to his
players and coaches. I do not believe there will be a competition in the spring at QB. Jalen will
be our QB for the next two years. Just don't think Coach will replace him.
4) What will happen to Tua? If I am correct on item #3, he will walk.
5) We are putting a full court press on Jones to flip his commitment because of the possibility of
#4 happening.
6) I hope I'm wrong on item #3 & 4.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Moro Creek]

The two have nothing to do with each other.[/QUOTE]
You are right. I should have stated that differently. We need Jones regardless.

 

[BamaMoon]

To your point, no - he does not trust his arm enough.

And I feel that he has the arm to get it there, but just hesitates just that little bit.

I think the "trust" is not in strength, but accuracy.

Not to beat Jalen up, but the only comparison right now is Tua (even though we saw the video of AJ throwing in a tight window, he's not on campus anymore). The accuracy that Tua has is part of what separates him from Jalen, IMO. As far as straight up arm strength I don't know who can spin it faster, but there's not question Tua's much, much more accurate and I think that's what hinders JH from throwing many of the passes he holds on to.

Also, that trust in his accuracy undoubtedly helps him be more confident and, as a result, quicker to make decisions and release it on time.

You can go back to the fall camp videos of our qbs that get shown during the media viewing period and when you watch JH and Tua alternate throwing the same passes and you'll see Tua hitting guys in the hands on most reps and with JH you'll see the receivers having to make an adjustments (ball is usually behind them) to catch Jalen.

 

[BamaMoon]

There have been many good posts in this thread both pro and con on Jalen and Tua. I will give my thoughts on the QB situation (my thoughts and five bucks will get a cup of coffee at Starbucks).

1) It is my belief that Tua should play significantly in the playoffs and be our starter in the spring.
2) I believe that Tua is the best QB talent we have recruited in many years and that he is better
(actually Much better) than Jalen. I think Tua knows he is better than Jalen and knows he
should be in a greater role.
3) Items 1 will not happen. As Earle pointed out in one of his post, Coach is very loyal to his
players and coaches. I do not believe there will be a competition in the spring at QB. Jalen will
be our QB for the next two years. Just don't think Coach will replace him.
4) What will happen to Tua? If I am correct on item #3, he will walk.
5) We are putting a full court press on Jones to flip his commitment because of the possibility of
#4 happening.
6) I hope I'm wrong on item #3 & 4.

I hope you are right about some of that and wrong about some of it. I really don't want us to lose Tua to go see him light it up somewhere else!

The wildcard in all of this is we just don't know enough about what's happening in the locker room and how that might affect CNS's decision making both "now" (playoffs) and next year.

I'm torn about how much Tua should/might be involved in the playoffs.

If I knew it would work, I'd say "dance with who brought 'ya" but I'm not sure that approach works, unless there are some serious adjustments in how we use Jalen.

Either way - using Jalen differently or inserting Tua is uncertain.

Here's what I'm really afraid of. We don't do anything different and we lose to Clemson. You think this thread is bulky now. If that happens this could rival the hat thread.

 

[B1GTide]

Honestly, I'm not sure it's that.

I guess that there is no way to be sure, but he certainly does not have a gunslinger's mentality like AJ did when he arrived at Alabama. Saban drove some of that out of him, but deep down inside, AJ wanted to win every game with his arm.