UAB attendance back to normal

And don't be surprised if South Alabama announces a stadium being built in the next 5 years. I'm sure there will be huge faux outrage over how it's a waste of taxpayer money (there won't be).
Actually they promised it to recruits years ago, and have already had proposals. That's actually part of the problem I have with this whole situation. It's not like Troy football which is perfectly content with their old stadium (and has better attendance than either UAB or South). South Alabama started their football program knowing darn well they wanted to build a stadium, that it was part of their plan, yet because the money wasn't there they didn't start chirping about it until after they got their program approved and underway. That way they could move forward even though the money and support wasn't there. It's not faux outrage, I'm already upset that they get rent free use of city facilities.

They're hovering around 16K attendance, despite even some people here proclaiming that they'd do far better than that. It is also the same excuse. Legion field is why UAB doesn't have fans show up, even if Alabama had no problem filling Legion field. Ladd is why South doesn't have fans showing up, even though Tim Tebow, or Miss. State can easily fill the stadium. So inevitably, we will back to the whole, hey can someone give me 75+ million? I like really need it for stuff. Yeah I will be outraged because they like really needed a football program and and ever since then they've like really needed a lot of other people's money to support something that fans haven't supported.

Edit: I suppose it is only fair to address some of the other things you said. The simple rebuttal is that if UAB fans really cared they'd still have shown up. You don't have to beg real fans to show up, you don't have to stir them up, or get them worked up. If they truly loved UAB football they'd have been there, we both know that. In addition, the promised money, the student fees, the city fees, all that "interest" that has spiked doesn't necessarily demonstrate true love for UAB football either. If UAB (without giving tickets away) can sustain 20K+ attendance for several years in a row, then I might view the situation differently. But, I and many others see this is a temporary reaction.

Since this is the NCAA's rule, why isn't it enforced?
Well first you have to remember the rule exists for a reason. Just like the rule exists that you can't pay players. As to why the rule isn't enforced, I can paraphrase a quote from a coach a few years back: "we've been trying to level the playing field for years". The obvious answer as to why they don't enforce the rule is because it goes against leveling the playing field. I do think there's another reason that they got in the habit though, and that was because I think they dreamed of a time in which they could take over the post season in football like they did in basketball. In either case, they didn't do their job and enforce their own rules.

That was a great rivalry back in the day. USA versus UAB in basketball. Also, USA versus South Florida in baseball. A lot of great games.
I grew up cheering for South Alabama basketball and baseball. Now I won't have anything to do with that athletic department...
 
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Well, this is happening now.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/03/birminghams_new_stadium_signal.html

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"a $174 million open-air stadium"
"The city plans to support the project via "occupational tax or another unspecified tax."

Sounds like money well spent. I mean they did have 14,505 show up for their last home game, so clearly this program is on the rise and worth this massive investment.
 
The UAB contingent on here thinks that the stadium is why there are very few paying fans at games. Do we really think fans who are going to Alabama or Auburn games will suddenly come to UAB games? UAB does not have enough fans on their own to fill the stadium without help from the 2 major state programs. So here we are spending a minimum of 90 million on a new stadium (before the inevitable cost overruns, mark my words it will be well over 100 million before it opens) for a team who can't' generate 1 million in genuine ticket sales revenue. This is why governments are going bankrupt people. If Birmingham and Jefferson county funds it, I have no problem with it. I do feel it would be unfair for the state or the University itself to subsidize a program that is and will continue to lose millions every year. If UAB can generate enough to pay for their new stadium, and the cost of running their program, which I seriously doubt, let them have at it.

I have another question about the long term viability of the UAB program as well. What happens when Clark takes another job, and UAB is relegated to B and C list coaches?
 
The UAB contingent on here thinks that the stadium is why there are very few paying fans at games. Do we really think fans who are going to Alabama or Auburn games will suddenly come to UAB games? UAB does not have enough fans on their own to fill the stadium without help from the 2 major state programs. So here we are spending a minimum of 90 million on a new stadium (before the inevitable cost overruns, mark my words it will be well over 100 million before it opens) for a team who can't' generate 1 million in genuine ticket sales revenue. This is why governments are going bankrupt people. If Birmingham and Jefferson county funds it, I have no problem with it. I do feel it would be unfair for the state or the University itself to subsidize a program that is and will continue to lose millions every year. If UAB can generate enough to pay for their new stadium, and the cost of running their program, which I seriously doubt, let them have at it.

I have another question about the long term viability of the UAB program as well. What happens when Clark takes another job, and UAB is relegated to B and C list coaches?

Legion Field is more of the problem. Its dangerous, its hideous, and its old. Convincing Alabama fans to seeing a low SEC or FBS team play against them would be a chore. If they demolish Legion field and build an on campus 20k stadium then we will know for sure if UAB can or cant survive.
 
This is for so much more than a stadium where UAB can play 8 or so football home games a year. UAB will be able to use the stadium, and other renovated facilities, for so much more than just football. The renovations to the BJCC and Legacy Arena will make Birmingham and the state so much more competitive when it comes to attracting events, concerts, conferences, etc. to the state. Have y'all seen the cities able to get early rounds of the NCAA tournament? The fact that Birmingham has not been able to secure a few of those games should tell us all we need to know about the facilities in this state.

This is a win for business in Birmingham and I would argue the state as a whole, regardless of the attendance numbers at UAB football games - though I realize that is where everyone on here will focus.
 
There have been a ton of threads on this board about this over time, so it seems that many people care. They just hate the program instead of supporting it.

I would like to know why UAB is so disliked.

It wastes my tax dollars. If it could pay for itself, I could care less. It does not. Therefore, I dislike it.
 
For the record, UAB averaged almost 10k more in attendance per game in 2017 than the NCAA requires for FBS - so while I don't think schools like UAB ought to be in FBS, they pulled their weight wrt attendance last year.
 
For the record, UAB averaged almost 10k more in attendance per game in 2017 than the NCAA requires for FBS - so while I don't think schools like UAB ought to be in FBS, they pulled their weight wrt attendance last year.
Did you see my post about attendance in their last game? They tanked towards the end of the year, as usual. Of course they had some enthusiasm built up after all the press and what not, but it simply didn't last. Their program will never actually pull their own weight... Remember, UAB football was gifted millions of dollars just to keep them going, and are going to be gifted millions upon millions more from taxpayers to give them a new stadium. They're still on football welfare.

Just to illustrate though, you can combine the attendance from UAB, Troy, and South Alabama and you still don't add up to the attendance of the #2 program in the state. I tolerate Troy more because they aren't spending as much time asking for handouts, but UAB and South Alabama have done nothing but waste money since their football programs came into existence. They're taxpayer funded projects that fill a nonexistent need for more FBS football in the state.
 
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It wastes my tax dollars. If it could pay for itself, I could care less. It does not. Therefore, I dislike it.

I get that, but how much $$$ will this actually cost you personally? Seems like more than that.

It cannot pay for itself....not even close, and not even if it came in non budget.

It will not come in anywhere near budget. There will be a huge amount of corruption, graft, payoffs, and shoddy work that will have to be re-done to prevent what happened at FIU x 1,000.

This is nothing more than a boondoggle, and the only ones who benefit will be the Birmingham City Council and the dozens of "contractors" and "consultants" who have no qualifications, but will get huge contracts, but deliver nothing but broken promises and poor product.

Doesn't matter what color their skin is, what party they belong to, or what their personal plumbing is -- they're crooks every single one.

Did I get across the point that these guys aren't trustworthy?
 
Did you see my post about attendance in their last game? They tanked towards the end of the year, as usual. Of course they had some enthusiasm built up after all the press and what not, but it simply didn't last.

They had one game that didn't hit the 15k mark - the last one, and it was close:

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The NCAA only requires 15k in average attendance, and UAB averaged over 26k per game. Heck, they averaged almost 22k in 2014 before they were shut down.

I have no agenda regarding UAB football, other than that I don't believe these tiny programs should be in the same division with the powerhouse programs. But when it comes to attendance, they're exceeding the standard set but the NCAA.
 

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The NCAA only requires 15k in average attendance, and UAB averaged over 26k per game. Heck, they averaged almost 22k in 2014 before they were shut down.
Those are minimum standards that haven't been updated or enforced in decades though. I'm not yelling for the NCAA to shut them down, I'm just saying they're still on football welfare and their attendance is already declining again.

First three home games they averaged 32K attendance. If they had actually kept that up, I'd be applauding them as well.
Last three home games they averaged 18K (may bad, actually 20,346), which is very bad for an FBS program and well... I don't need to explain further. The enthusiasm didn't even last a full season.
 
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Those are minimum standards that haven't been updated or enforced in decades though. I'm not yelling for the NCAA to shut them down, I'm just saying they're still on football welfare and their attendance is already declining again.

First three home games they averaged 32K attendance. If they had actually kept that up, I'd be applauding them as well.
Last three home games they averaged 18K, which is very bad for an FBS program and well... I don't need to explain further. The enthusiasm didn't even last a full season.

Last 3 home games they averaged roughly 20k. That’s going 25000, 14000, and 21000
 
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