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Defense looks a little better than I expected but at the same time I expect some really tough days this fall in the secondary. They are fine today knowing what was coming at them but when someone game plans to confuse them this fall they are going to have some maddening breakdowns. The pass rush could go a long way toward helping them out if the front 7 can stay healthy.

Our running backs are an embarrassment. I'm sure the NCAA is trying to figure out a rule to stop Saban from having so much talent at running back. With the competition we have at OL next season we should be able to line up and get some rush yards.

Disappointed to see Tua and the two receivers out, it would have been fun to see that whole skill set on display. Hurts was Hurts, he's the same guy he's been from the beginning except everyone knows his tendencies so he's ineffective now. Its a shame to see an athlete like that die on the vine. He should switch positions. Mac Jones is not quite ready for prime time but he's clearly a more natural passer than Hurts. He's just not ready to actually have to play yet.

Biggest win of the day was getting the commitment from Tua's little bro.
 
Didn't get to watch the game but I did get a second to turn the game on and it was when Herbie and Galloway were talking in the field late in the second half. They summed up Jalen's day in one word "Underwhelming". By some of the posts in this thread, Jalen's days in Tuscaloosa are over. I only saw a few snaps but it wasn't when Jalen was on the field. Then had to go back out.
 
BamaMoon said:
But Jalen is in his 3rd spring game and has 2 years of starting experience at the highest levels. Jalen basically looked like he did against the other elite defenses he's faced. Virtually no improvement...perhaps even regression.
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You're right. I think there was some regression and IMO it had to do with confidence. During his two seasons he never really had a lot of confidence throwing the ball but I believe getting replaced in the NCG and learning that some of his teammates felt he was a liability further shook his confidence. Also, I think when his dad told him he messed up and opened the door for Tua it didn't help matters for him either. Some players can put a major setback behind them and come back strong but it appeared today that Jalen has not been able to shake off his disappointing finish last season.
 
PA Tide Fan said:
YI think there was some regression and IMO it had to do with confidence.
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I think his issues in the first half had a lot to do with confidence, and that's what we saw in the Georgia game to. I made a post a couple days ago detailing how I thought the circumstances got to him and effected him mentally. I think he sunk below the level he's capable of once he let things get to him. The problem is, second half was more the typical Jalen problems though. Yes, he moved the ball, yes he got his team back in the game, but he still has some of the same struggles with the downfield passing game. That's just not good enough with Tua around.
 
Just now getting to watch. LaBryan Ray has gotten huge and ripped. Playing really well.


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PA Tide Fan said:
You're right. I think there was some regression and IMO it had to do with confidence. During his two seasons he never really had a lot of confidence throwing the ball but I believe getting replaced in the NCG and learning that some of his teammates felt he was a liability further shook his confidence. Also, I think when his dad told him he messed up and opened the door for Tua it didn't help matters for him either. Some players can put a major setback behind them and come back strong but it appeared today that Jalen has not been able to shake off his disappointing finish last season.
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Good post...I wonder if he realizes how really far behind he is? He missed open receivers on easy throws. Did not see open receivers...really cannot sugar coat this. He may be so "confident" that he cannot see his own fallibilities. If you don't know you don't know...
 
Jalen is unsuited for the offense Saban wants to run.

He now knows what every DC in the country has known for 1.5 seasons. His weaknesses were masked by a great surrounding cast. That crew has been so good that, even though the D knew what was coming, it still took (1) a top-15 defense absolutely selling out to stop the run, or (2) a top 10 defense not fully respecting the pass, to slow the offense down.

In other words, consistent with what we saw starting with the LSU game in 2016, 115 of the 130 FBS teams have no realistic shot at beating us, really no matter who the QB is. 5-7 can if they abandon all pretense of pass defense, and we don't hit a pass that makes them pay (see MSU this past season). The remaining 8-10 can make it a tossup, reducing us to reliance on big plays. Jalen can make those big plays with his feet. But, points notwithstanding, it puts our own D back on the field quickly, and eventually even our D wears down (see Clemson, 2016).

To those who point out the number of OCs Jalen has dealt with, I'd say two things: First, the technical number (4) overstates the case. Only two have had any real impact on his development. Second, Tua developed. Mac Jones developed. They had the same coaching. Only Jalen hasn't.

Bottom line (my own personal speculation, with absolutely no inside information whatsoever) is that I think Jalen either has an epiphany and agrees to another position -- not likely given his dad's comments. Or he transfers at the end of this semester. Either way, we've seen his last snap at QB at Alabama.
 
4Q Basket Case said:
Jalen is unsuited for the offense Saban wants to run.

He now knows what every DC in the country has known for 1.5 seasons. His weaknesses were masked by a great surrounding cast. That crew has been so good that, even though the D knew what was coming, it still took (1) a top-15 defense absolutely selling out to stop the run, or (2) a top 10 defense not fully respecting the pass, to slow the offense down.

In other words, consistent with what we saw starting with the LSU game in 2016, 115 of the 130 FBS teams have no realistic shot at beating us, really no matter who the QB is. 5-7 can if they abandon all pretense of pass defense, and we don't hit a pass that makes them pay (see MSU this past season). The remaining 8-10 can make it a tossup, reducing us to reliance on big plays. Jalen can make those big plays with his feet. But, points notwithstanding, it puts our own D back on the field quickly, and eventually even our D wears down (see Clemson, 2016).

To those who point out the number of OCs Jalen has dealt with, I'd say two things: First, the technical number (4) overstates the case. Only two have had any real impact on his development. Second, Tua developed. Mac Jones developed. They had the same coaching. Only Jalen hasn't.

Bottom line (my own personal speculation, with absolutely no inside information whatsoever) is that I think Jalen either has an epiphany and agrees to another position -- not likely given his dad's comments. Or he transfers at the end of this semester. Either way, we've seen his last snap at QB at Alabama.
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I agree.................I think the writing is on the wall now. I think Tua will win the starting job..............just my opinion, but I didn't see any improvement at all
 
Could it be that loss of all that hair caused him to lose his confidence? When I lost my hair, I lost my Confidence. Not really! All I can say is 26-2. How many Alabama QB's have been 26-2?
 
4Q Basket Case said:
Jalen is unsuited for the offense Saban wants to run.

He now knows what every DC in the country has known for 1.5 seasons. His weaknesses were masked by a great surrounding cast. That crew has been so good that, even though the D knew what was coming, it still took (1) a top-15 defense absolutely selling out to stop the run, or (2) a top 10 defense not fully respecting the pass, to slow the offense down.

In other words, consistent with what we saw starting with the LSU game in 2016, 115 of the 130 FBS teams have no realistic shot at beating us, really no matter who the QB is. 5-7 can if they abandon all pretense of pass defense, and we don't hit a pass that makes them pay (see MSU this past season). The remaining 8-10 can make it a tossup, reducing us to reliance on big plays. Jalen can make those big plays with his feet. But, points notwithstanding, it puts our own D back on the field quickly, and eventually even our D wears down (see Clemson, 2016).

To those who point out the number of OCs Jalen has dealt with, I'd say two things: First, the technical number (4) overstates the case. Only two have had any real impact on his development. Second, Tua developed. Mac Jones developed. They had the same coaching. Only Jalen hasn't.

Bottom line (my own personal speculation, with absolutely no inside information whatsoever) is that I think Jalen either has an epiphany and agrees to another position -- not likely given his dad's comments. Or he transfers at the end of this semester. Either way, we've seen his last snap at QB at Alabama.
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I'm almost certain once Mr. Hurts (and Jalen himself) hears the comments caught on video by Nick Saban during the game. That we might see an even earlier exodus by Jalen. You know those comments aren't going to sit well AT ALL with them.
 
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Al A Bama said:
Could it be that loss of all that hair caused him to lose his confidence? When I lost my hair, I lost my Confidence. Not really! All I can say is 26-2. How many Alabama QB's have been 26-2?
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True, QB is the single most important position on the field. But there are still 21 others out there, including 10 other offensive players. We were 26-2 with Bradley Bozeman at center. We were 26-2 with Calvin Ridley at WR, and Jonah Williams on the OL, and Damiean Harris at RB. Jonathan Allen, Ruben Foster and Minkah Fitzpatrick were stoning opposing Os. Jalen didn't do it by himself.

With the exception of one game, we probably have that record with a lot of QBs. During that span, with a QB having average SEC-caliber passing ability, I think we win all those games except 2016 Ole Miss. And we were fortunate in that game to (1) have either 2 or 3 non-offensive touchdowns, and (2) there wasn't a lot of film on Jalen at that time.

Due to his towering strength on ball security, Jalen is your best chance to beat an outmanned team. He just won't give them the unearned points they need for the upset. But against a truly elite team, the kind you play in the playoff, he can't consistently move. He can make occasional big plays, but we're not going to drive the ball and chew clock.

I never thought I'd be writing this, but that ball security is just too expensive in terms of lost opportunities for our own O.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
I'm almost certain once Mr. Hurts (Jalen himself) hears the comments caught on video by Nick Saban during the game. That we might see an even earlier exodus by Jalen. You know those comments aren't going to sit well AT ALL with them.
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Yep, but it is not like it wasn't true. I am a little surprised Mr. Hurts is not in front of a mic right now.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
I'm almost certain once Mr. Hurts (Jalen himself) hears the comments caught on video by Nick Saban during the game. That we might see an even earlier exodus by Jalen. You know those comments aren't going to sit well AT ALL with them.
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Agreed.

I also wondered about the comments. Did Saban just get frustrated and say something he's been thinking for a while, not taking into account the wired microphones? Or did he plan that intentionally?

He's an emotional guy, especially when a player doesn't execute what he's coached to do. So I could see the moment getting the best of him. But he plays the press like Perlman plays a Stradivarius, so I could also see it being intentional.

Guess there's only one person who knows, and he's not talking.
 
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4Q Basket Case said:
True, QB is the single most important position on the field. But there are still 21 others out there, including 10 other offensive players. We were 26-2 with Bradley Bozeman at center. We were 26-2 with Calvin Ridley at WR, and Jonah Williams on the OL, and Damiean Harris at RB. Jonathan Allen, Ruben Foster and Minkah Fitzpatrick were stoning opposing Os. Jalen didn't do it by himself.

With the exception of one game, we probably have that record with a lot of QBs. During that span, with a QB having average SEC-caliber passing ability, I think we win all those games except 2016 Ole Miss. And we were fortunate in that game to (1) have either 2 or 3 non-offensive touchdowns, and (2) there wasn't a lot of film on Jalen at that time.

Due to his towering strength on ball security, Jalen is your best chance to beat an outmanned team. He just won't give them the unearned points they need for the upset. But against a truly elite team, the kind you play in the playoff, he can't consistently move. He can make occasional big plays, but we're not going to drive the ball and chew clock.

I never thought I'd be writing this, but that ball security is just too expensive in terms of lost opportunities for our own O.
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Very well put...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
Wondered the same...
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Earle, WE ALL KNOW it didn't sit well with CNS to have to publicly address Mr. Hurts' comments in the media. My guess is he was cordial to Mr. Hurts in their private meeting, giving him the respect any players' parent deserves. But I have no doubt that what Mr. Hurts did absolutely ticked off Nick Saban and that "ticked-off-ness" leaked out in Saban's on air comments.

I think the intended recipient of those comments was Mr. Hurts.
 
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I get the feeling that the result of this QB battle will be Saban suggesting that Jalen Hurts play some WR and be a situational QB in 2018. After yesterday's showing from Hurts I would almost bet money on a grad transfer being brought in to facilitate the depth chart and that question. We need a fourth QB at either rate but especially if we're going to suggest that one of them split time at the skill positions (and potentially leave after the question is broached).
 
I really feel for Jalen in all the goings on lately. He never has received the support of the entire Bama nation. I think what everyone needs to understand is Jalen was a master at running the ball and the offense around him was built to heighten his talents. After a while other teams figured out his lack of passing ability (ie. decision making on passes beyond 20 yards). Now it appears the pendulum is swinging back to a more pass oriented offense because Tua has the tools to do that. Unfortunately it comes down to a business decision and Jalen is lost in the shuffle. Regardless of what happens in the future I will always appreciate what Jalen did to get us as far as we got in his time here.


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