Another HS shooting - Santa Fe, TX (South of Houston)

[Bazza]

From my earlier post:

Her uncle said he didn't blame the "murder of my girl on American society but on that terrorism mindset that is there in all societies ... I do ask the American government to make sure weapons will not be easily available in your country to anybody. Please make sure this doesn't happen again. It really hurts."

Full stop.

At this point, if nothing else comes of this horrible incident, I would hope we see some kind of movement to address this poor man's concerns.

Securing guns from children. Won't stop all future shootings. Will stop some.

A legitimate starting point going forward.

Is this too much to ask?

 

[92tide]

From my earlier post:



Full stop.

At this point, if nothing else comes of this horrible incident, I would hope we see some kind of movement to address this poor man's concerns.

Securing guns from children. Won't stop all future shootings. Will stop some.

A legitimate starting point going forward.

Is this too much to ask?

i think a big portion of the country has been there for quite a long time. maybe you should direct your questions and concerns to the nra and other lobbyists/congress critters that are taking an all or nothing approach on the 2a

 

[Ratal]

I was talking to my fiance about this story. I told her that we need to start teaching our kids to be friends with everyone. Yes, the answer should be that is the universal message and not just to be self preservation in a situation like this but you have to start somewhere. We are also very proactive in the realm of bullying. We have reached out to the school to discuss one of our girls being bullied. We have also reached out to the school to make sure our other girl is not being a bully to a girl she dislikes. I have what some of you may feel is an unpopular stance on bullying. I feel it is the responsibility of parents to teach their children to not bully others as well as how to handle being bullied. They are in elementary school. While they hopefully will not be subject to a school shooting ever it is much less likely in elementary school or middle school.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

nonchalance with bullying? that has been a huge focus in schools for many years.

My wife teaches in the public school system and has for 18 years. You are correct, bullying has been a focus for quite some time now. The problem isn't the focus on the issue. But the lack of willingness of parents with kids who are bullies to take steps in correcting their child's behavior. In essence, it leads back to parenting. Until parents start actually supporting the school when they notify them that their child is bullying. Rather than taking up for their punk kid by calling the school board, threatening to call lawyers, or simply not doing anything to help curb their child's behavior. It doesn't matter how much "focus" is put on it. It will be nothing more than lip service.

The parents of the child being bullied have their hands tied (via the law). They can only sit idle and hope others (the school, parent of the kid bullying) can get through to the kid or kids doing the bullying. Until that happens they have to send their kid to school everyday knowing their kid will probably be verbally and/or physically abused. As a parent, it would take everything in me to not get fed up with the "system" in place and for the sake of the safety of my child. Simply go directly to the child's parent or guardian and begin subjecting them to some form of "bullying" until they take it serious enough to start making efforts to stop their child's behavior. You would be absolutely shocked at the lengths parents will go to do NOTHING when they are told their child is physically/verbally abusing another child. Suspension from school? LOL! That's a joke. The public school system goes to great lengths now days to not suspend kids. It takes someone dang near losing limbs or life before that option is brought into play.

Personally, just as some are suggesting holding the parents accountable if their child takes one of their guns from their house and uses it to kill others. Why wait until it gets to that point to hold parents legally accountable? Let's start holding parents accountable earlier in the process so no one loses their life.

*As you can tell, I'm a bit passionate about this topic. LOL!*

 

[92tide]

My wife teaches in the public school system and has for 18 years. You are correct, bullying has been a focus for quite some time now. The problem isn't the focus on the issue. But the lack of willingness of parents with kids who are bullies to take steps in correcting their child's behavior. In essence, it leads back to parenting. Until parents start actually supporting the school when they notify them that their child is bullying. Rather than taking up for their punk kid by calling the school board, threatening to call lawyers, or simply not doing anything to help curb their child's behavior. It doesn't matter how much "focus" is put on it. It will be nothing more than lip service.

The parents of the child being bullied has their hands tied (via the law). They can only sit idle and hope others (the school, parent of the kid bullying) can get through to the kid or kids doing the bullying. Until that happens they have to send their kid to school everyday knowing their kid will probably be verbally and/or physically abused. As a parent, it would take everything in me to not get fed up with the "system" in place and for the sake of the safety of my child. Simply go directly to the child's parent or guardian and begin subjecting them to some form of "bullying" until they take it serious enough to start making efforts to stop their child's behavior. You would be absolutely shocked at the lengths parents will go to do NOTHING when they are told their child is physically/verbally abusing another child. Suspension from school? LOL! That's a joke. The public school system goes to great lengths now days to not suspend kids. It takes someone dang near losing limbs or life before that option is brought into play.

Personally, just as some are suggesting holding the parents accountable if their child takes one of their guns from their house and uses it to kill others. Why wait until it gets to that point to hold parents legally accountable? Let's start holding parents accountable earlier in the process so no one loses their life.

*As you can tell, I'm a bit passionate about this topic. LOL!*

thanks. this crap was going on quite a bit when i was in school. parents would raise holy hell if their precious kid (usually a star athlete, cheerleader, rich kid) got in trouble.

 

[Bazza]

On the subject of school education - is Sociology still an course that is required in public schools?

 

[Bamaro]

Imagine sending your child to America only for her to be gunned down in a school shooting.

The real irony is that she would have been safer staying in Pakistan than coming here.
Think about that.

 

[cbi1972]

On the subject of school education - is Sociology still an course that is required in public schools?

I would be surprised if that were ever a requirement.

 

[Bazza]

I would be surprised if that were ever a requirement.

I may be mistaken...but when I was in high school (this was back in the stone age) we had to take either Sociology or Psychology as an elective. I ended taking both and some of the stuff I learned really helped me understand why people act the way they do.

 

[Bazza]

i think a big portion of the country has been there for quite a long time. maybe you should direct your questions and concerns to the nra and other lobbyists/congress critters that are taking an all or nothing approach on the 2a

Trying to change anything in the 2A seems to be a waste of energy. What I had in mind was public service announcements by non-profits, school systems, parent/teacher/student organizations on gun safety.

Securing weaponry in the home.

Surely someone else with the clout and where with all sees this as a useful endeavour. Maybe some of the folks in the film industry even.

I don't expect anything from politicians any more. I think it's all up to "us". The ones who look in the mirror (as Matt and Earle pointed out to me).

 

[cbi1972]

I may be mistaken...but when I was in high school (this was back in the stone age) we had to take either Sociology or Psychology as an elective. I ended taking both and some of the stuff I learned really helped me understand why people act the way they do.

Be careful what you wish for

 

[MattinBama]

I may be mistaken...but when I was in high school (this was back in the stone age) we had to take either Sociology or Psychology as an elective. I ended taking both and some of the stuff I learned really helped me understand why people act the way they do.

I had Psychology as an elective but I don't remember any requirement to take it. All of our electives had no requirements attached as electives are supposed to be.

 

[Bazza]

Be careful what you wish for

Ha!

I was just talking about taking the course...not the treatment!

From your article:

Around the world a million people die from suicide each year and the response internationally is to pour more funding and channel more people into psychiatric services.

 

[92tide]

Trying to change anything in the 2A seems to be a waste of energy. What I had in mind was public service announcements by non-profits, school systems, parent/teacher/student organizations on gun safety.

Securing weaponry in the home.

Surely someone else with the clout and where with all sees this as a useful endeavour. Maybe some of the folks in the film industry even.

I don't expect anything from politicians any more. I think it's all up to "us". The ones who look in the mirror (as Matt and Earle pointed out to me).

it's not about changing the 2a. it's about realizing that there is quite a bit that can be done within the confines of the 2a.

as i keep pointing out, the things you keep pushing for in these threads are for the most part being done and have been done for quite a while.

 

[Bazza]

I had Psychology as an elective but I don't remember any requirement to take it. All of our electives had no requirements attached as electives are supposed to be.

It was 47 years ago so I am probably mistaken about the requirement. Thanks, Matt.

 

[cbi1972]

Ha!

I was just talking about taking the course...not the treatment!

From your article:

Outcomes are often counterintuitive when it comes to social sciences, particularly in mental health.

 

[Bazza]

it's not about changing the 2a. it's about realizing that there is quite a bit that can be done within the confines of the 2a.

as i keep pointing out, the things you keep pushing for in these threads are for the most part being done and have been done for quite a while.

I only speak from my experiences. I watch a fair amount of TV and read papers and magazines and the Internet and I can't remember the last time I saw anything about gun safety.

With all the talk about 2A.....you would think it would be vital to the discussion.

 

[Bazza]

Outcomes are often counterintuitive when it comes to social sciences, particularly in mental health.

So learning about these 2 subjects is not a good thing? Not sure I get what you're saying.....thanks!

 

[92tide]

I only speak from my experiences. I watch a fair amount of TV and read papers and magazines and the Internet and I can't remember the last time I saw anything about gun safety.

With all the talk about 2A.....you would think it would be vital to the discussion.

i said it's not about changing the 2a, not that it shouldn't be discussed.

the rest may not be happening in part because the folks who should be talking about gun safety are supplying the puke funnel with nonsense like this

 

[cbi1972]

So learning about these 2 subjects is not a good thing? Not sure I get what you're saying.....thanks!

I'm not suggesting less education in any area. I even have a degree in psychology. But I would hesitate to prescribe social science education to address a specific social problem, unless perhaps that problem is underemployment of those with social science degrees. It might help with that, but at what cost?