St.Paul's Sues AHSAA over Discriminatory Rule.

[Crimson1967]

Alabama already has the AISA (Alabama Independent School Association). Some private schools decided to join the AHSAA, though.

From what I understand, the AISA schools are a lot different than the privates in the AHSAA.


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[rgw]

I'm just saying that you are only upset because it hurts your school. Why do I feel this way? Because you understand that life isn't fair.

There is no way to level the playing field without forcing private schools into a different championship division. Penalizing them for winning is not the answer.

I agree. We should let the Falcons cave Bama's face in so long as they only carry a 40 man roster.

 

[RTR91]

I’m not seeing your point? My point is these schools either need to exist in their own separate classification or need to be put in a classification which their competition level dictates, and St Paul’s clearly needs to be in 6A with Spanish Fort if they want to be in AHSAA because they clearly can keep pace

And what do you think should happen to the schools that can’t keep pace with their current classification? Stay put or drop down a level? Can’t have it both ways.


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[rgw]

Not sure what you mean...but for public schools their classification is dependent on enrollment and public schools cannot easily deny enrollment to those they are districted to serve. A private school can simply tighten admittance to drop classification. Not saying that schools have done it but truth of the matter is that the private schools control the spigot.

 

[Skeeterpop]

Every school isn't a Hoover type located in a major metro that can actually recruit people away from other public or private schools. The majority of the public schools have very little capacity for that sort of movement.

I can think of one example in my lifetime where Fayette "recruited" a kid and it was mostly because Spencer Pennington got tired of being sacked a dozen times a game at Vernon so his parents moved from Lamar county to Fayette county.

I have known countless families that moved to go to a private school. If they are doing it for their kids then a family could do the same with a public school.

My kids go to a small private school. Because the local public school is not an option. If I lived near a good public school system they would go to a public school in a heartbeat. Would love to save that money every month.

 

[81usaf92]

And what do you think should happen to the schools that can’t keep pace with their current classification? Stay put or drop down a level? Can’t have it both ways.


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I just don’t think you get what 80% of 5A is right now. If you did you would see that there is a clear advantage that makes the game unplayable. 4-5 A should be mid city to mid county schools not college prep schools. 6 to 7 A should be where serious competition should be played.

So go AHSAA !!!!

 

[Skeeterpop]

So county schools should be punished for their economic status, and you believe you should have the ability to buy a championship?

Every School buys its championships.

Private Schools do it with familes and donors money.

Public schools do it with the Government funds. *news flash* which is everyone of ours money. So those of us who send kids to private school pay for our kids and everyones elses who go to public school. I sure would love to get a check from millions in the state to help pay for my kids education. How fair does that sound?

 

[81usaf92]

I have known countless families that moved to go to a private school. If they are doing it for their kids then a family could do the same with a public school.

My kids go to a small private school. Because the local public school is not an option. If I lived near a good public school system they would go to a public school in a heartbeat. Would love to save that money every month.

That’s all fine and dandy if you wanna get your kid away from a bad public school, but we are talking about a clear unfair environment that St Paul’s, Briarwood, and Faith have created in 5A when the overwhelming majority of the schools they play haven’t had a DI player in 20 years. This is the equivalent of if Arkansas dropped down to D2 and started winning championships.

 

[Skeeterpop]

So you wouldnt be opposed if the Cleveland Browns joined the SEC as long as they limit their roster to the best 35 players I take it? Thats what Im getting from the pro-private school group here.

Absolutely.

But they cant pay them to play. Only will pay for the educations. So bring on the Browns best 35 for the price of college tuition only. I doubt you get many players to go for that deal.

 

[81usaf92]

Every School buys its championships.

Private Schools do it with familes and donors money.

Public schools do it with the Government funds. *news flash* which is everyone of ours money. So those of us who send kids to private school pay for our kids and everyones elses who go to public school. I sure would love to get a check from millions in the state to help pay for my kids education. How fair does that sound?

So what’s the difference between St Paul’s and Calera in football? I’ll wait while you try to convince me that it’s absolutely nothing and all of Calera’s fault that they can’t win a championship.

 

[Skeeterpop]

From what I understand, the AISA schools are a lot different than the privates in the AHSAA.


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This is generally correct. The AISA schools are tylically smaller and have less money. Not in all cases but most.

 

[Skeeterpop]

And what do you think should happen to the schools that can’t keep pace with their current classification? Stay put or drop down a level? Can’t have it both ways.


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You win the internet today!!! Awesome point.

 

[81usaf92]

Absolutely.

But they cant pay them to play. Only will pay for the educations. So bring on the Browns best 35 for the price of college tuition only. I doubt you get many players to go for that deal.

You are far overthinking the hypothetical and trying to dodge the simple fact that there is a clear talent advantage that makes 5A a dead league like every other poster that is with you.

If you are trying to sell me that life is better at a private school and can be out of the necessity to avoid a horrible public option then I’m all ears. But there is a clear unfair advantage in 5A and to an extent 4A because of these private schools recruiting players they want instead of playing with what they got and it isn’t even remotely debatable.

 

[B1GTide]

High school football is not about winning - it is about learning to play a sport and learning to compete and learning to operate within the construct of a team - it is about learning. The idea that a team has to have an equal opportunity, or even a legitimate opportunity, to win a championship is absurd. The vast majority of the schools playing in the state of Alabama will never sniff a state championship, and it has nothing to do with these private schools. But every one of the players on those teams will walk away better for the experience of playing.

We can't make sports "fair". It isn't, and it never will be.

 

[Skeeterpop]

That’s all fine and dandy if you wanna get your kid away from a bad public school, but we are talking about a clear unfair environment that St Paul’s, Briarwood, and Faith have created in 5A when the overwhelming majority of the schools they play haven’t had a DI player in 20 years. This is the equivalent of if Arkansas dropped down to D2 and started winning championships.

Let me ask this question. Is it the private schools fault that a much higher % of their students go out for athletics and can maintain good grades to play vs the much larger public schools who has hundreds of kids that dont focus on grades, dont give a flip about sports or would rather hang out after school in a pool hall or playing video games?

Dont blame the private schools for the overall decline of respect, work ethic, ambition and motivation that exists in many public schools today. Blame the public schools parents and families. Not the private school. If the public school got the same ratio of kids in the school to get off their lazy tails and play sports this would not even be an issue.

 

[81usaf92]

High school football is not about winning - it is about learning to play a sport and learning to compete and learning to operate within the construct of a team - it is about learning. The idea that a team has to have an equal opportunity, or even a legitimate opportunity, to win a championship is absurd. The vast majority of the schools playing in the state of Alabama will never sniff a state championship, and it has nothing to do with these private schools. But every one of the players on those teams will walk away better for the experience of playing.

We can't make sports "fair". It isn't, and it never will be.

I guess then we should only have 10 programs in the whole state if high school isn’t about winning. Seriously go tell someone in Bama, Texas, or Georgia and you’ll be laughed out of your shoes.

Yeah we get that 60% of these teams won’t sniff a championship, but that doesn’t mean we should tell B.B. comer ( who dressed 12 kids last year) to go get their brains beat out by Hoover because the game doesn’t matter. You can’t go out and say it’s not about winning if you plan to learn. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!! Not yelling just had to release my daily Herm lol

 

[81usaf92]

Let me ask this question. Is it the private schools fault that a much higher % of their students go out for athletics and can maintain good grades to play vs the much larger public schools who has hundreds of kids that dont focus on grades, dont give a flip about sports or would rather hang out after school in a pool hall or playing video games?

Dont blame the private schools for the overall decline of respect, work ethic, ambition and motivation that exists in many public schools today. Blame the public schools parents and families. Not the private school. If the public school got the same ratio of kids in the school to get off their lazy tails and play sports this would not even be an issue.

Okay now you’ve gone totally into the “ private vs public education as a whole “ topic instead of the fair and unfair competition in sports topic. I’m not going down your rabbit hole so please stay on topic.

I’m not arguing a non sports topic I’m arguing a sports topic.

 

[Skeeterpop]

You are far overthinking the hypothetical and trying to dodge the simple fact that there is a clear talent advantage that makes 5A a dead league like every other poster that is with you.

If you are trying to sell me that life is better at a private school and can be out of the necessity to avoid a horrible public option then I’m all ears. But there is a clear unfair advantage in 5A and to an extent 4A because of these private schools recruiting players they want instead of playing with what they got and it isn’t even remotely debatable.

Both Schools play the same number of players. One school had hundreds more kids that could come out for sports. The talent is at the schools. It just never makes it to the field or court because of other "circumstances". This is not a private schools problem. Much more of their student population takes pride in sports and makes it a priority. Public schools don't always have that. But that is their own fault. Not others schools.

 

[B1GTide]

I guess then we should only have 10 programs in the whole state if high school isn’t about winning. Seriously go tell someone in Bama, Texas, or Georgia and you’ll be laughed out of your shoes.

Yeah we get that 60% of these teams won’t sniff a championship, but that doesn’t mean we should tell B.B. comer ( who dressed 12 kids last year) to go get their brains beat out by Hoover because the game doesn’t matter. You can’t go out and say it’s not about winning if you plan to learn. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!! Not yelling just had to release my daily Herm lol

Sorry, but HS sports is not college or professional sports. It is not all about winning. In fact, it really isn't about winning at all. The fact that you don't get this explains why you are so upset about this issue.

 

[Skeeterpop]

Okay now you’ve gone totally into the “ private vs public education as a whole “ topic instead of the fair and unfair competition in sports topic. I’m not going down your rabbit hole so please stay on topic.

I’m not arguing a non sports topic I’m arguing a sports topic.

No. You are missing my point. You want to penalize some private schools for having a better overall school system than some public schools. That life and as fair as it gets. They put more time, effort and money in and get better results in return.

Troy and Alabama are in the same league. But one is not like the other. Never will be on a competitive level in football. How many NC do you think Troy will win in Football? Should they give up? Or just work to get better and be the best they can be. They will never win a football championship though at the FBS level.