My take on all things assistant coaches (UPDATE on Sarkisian/Jones)...

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I'm concerned over the staff but I'm willing to let this play out. The knee jerk reaction is that Alabama is somehow miles behind Clemson now but the score of the game did not reflect the gap. Yes, Clemson was better. If we played the game 5 more times I think they would win all five games. But Alabama has historically won championships when their secondary was filled with veteran players. It seemed everything fed off of that, the sacks and turnovers increased dramatically. and for several of those championships we won with mediocre quarterbacking. We played the season with all first year starters in the secondary and after injuries took out the only pass rush we had the whole thing fell apart. Add to that Tua getting owned by Clemson's DC and you get a blowout.

Alabama enters next season with a number of experienced BD's. that's a critical piece. They need to keep the pass rushers off the operating table, that's also pretty important. If we can add some better MLB play this defense should be a top 3 defense. Then I don't know, we return a FEW offensive weapons and if we can get some better run blocking. There is no reason we can't return to the playoffs. When we get there if we face Clemson we will NOT face that sideline to sideline wall of 1st round draft level defensive line talent. Talking those guys into staying was one of the best recruiting jobs we've seen in modern college football, but they are gone now. Their replacements will be good, but they won't be that good, and they will be carrying the weight of defending champion, the crown is heavy.

So if you are a coach and want to win a championship you can take your shot anywhere but reasonably next years champion will likely be one of the following, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. It's possible someone else could sneak up there but it's a long shot. So what would you do if you wanted stories to tell your grandkids one day, coach another year and be happy with a bowl game or stand with the big trophy at the end. If you're not the latter, you probably don't belong at Alabama because that's why we play the game down here.
 
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I'm concerned over the staff but I'm willing to let this play out. The knee jerk reaction is that Alabama is somehow miles behind Clemson now but the score of the game did not reflect the gap. Yes, Clemson was better. If we played the game 5 more times I think they would win all five games. But Alabama has historically won championships when their secondary was filled with veteran players. It seemed everything fed off of that, the sacks and turnovers increased dramatically. and for several of those championships we won with mediocre quarterbacking. We played the season with all first year starters in the secondary and after injuries took out the only pass rush we had the whole thing fell apart. Add to that Tua getting owned by Clemson's DC and you get a blowout.

Alabama enters next season with a number of experienced BD's. that's a critical piece. They need to keep the pass rushers off the operating table, that's also pretty important. If we can add some better MLB play this defense should be a top 3 defense. Then I don't know, we return a FEW offensive weapons and if we can get some better run blocking. There is no reason we can't return to the playoffs. When we get there if we face Clemson we will NOT face that sideline to sideline wall of 1st round draft level defensive line talent. Talking those guys into staying was one of the best recruiting jobs we've seen in modern college football, but they are gone now. Their replacements will be good, but they won't be that good, and they will be carrying the weight of defending champion, the crown is heavy.

So if you are a coach and want to win a championship you can take your shot anywhere but reasonably next years champion will likely be one of the following, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. It's possible someone else could sneak up there but it's a long shot. So what would you do if you wanted stories to tell your grandkids one day, coach another year and be happy with a bowl game or stand with the big trophy at the end. If you're not the latter, you probably don't belong at Alabama because that's why we play the game down here.

This is something I'm not sure Dabo will be able to pull off again, or be in a position to pull off again. Having four players of that caliber be on your DL at the same time is rare. But also being able to get all four to stay around rather than enter the draft maybe even rarer.
 
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I have no insider info but I think Sark ends up being the OC/QBC and Butch Jones either WR or RB coach.
I think he could handle one of those two latter roles, at least for a year. However, Jones over Sark for OC just makes no sense...
 
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I think Coach Saban is looking to hire more experienced coordinators who will be here for 3-4 years. I'm not at all concerned about Sark as OC as long as his personal issues are not a problem, and I don't they will be or Saban wouldn't bring him back. The fact that he's also interviewing the other offensive coaches makes me think he's going to be the OC. I look for Butch to be a position coach - most likely WRs. I think the he and Sark could put together solid game plans for our offense each week. And I think Sark is capable of making adjustments during the game, so I see that working well.

IMHO, the key hire is OL coach. We have tremendous talent at the skill positions, but we all know that doesn't matter if you can't control the LOS. It all starts up front with the big uglies.

I`m personally in complete agreement with this. This and the DC are the ones that concern me the most. I said in an earlier post that I can`t see how all this turnover can`t eventually have a real negative impact. At the same time and in the same breath, I`m not saying that some/all of the changes aren`t necessary. Just becoming a dilemma, IMHO.
 
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Folks,

Apparently as a shock to some people, you shouldn’t believe everything you read on Twitter, other social media, even this site, in AL.com, or hear on JOX radio.....anyone who believes Nick Saban would hire Butch Jones to be Alabama’s OC is just absolutely foolish...an on field position coach? Ya, that’s likely credible because believe it or not Butch Jones is a good coach who got a bad rap as the head coach of The Tennessee dumpster fire of a program.

Hubris much?
 
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I believe Saban has tried but having difficulty. Do we believe he would choose a Butch Jones over a more proven OC, or is that just he is left with?Maybe the reason it is difficult to poach is that some might be afraid, as some recruits are, that Saban won’t be around much longer. Could also be that with the Dabo method and the profession evolving, that they don’t have to endure the hard-nosed types in order to be successful. Lastly it could be that Saban has reached the bottom of the barrel in terms of coaches. I honestly don’t think Saban himself could really answer that question though.
That's an interesting thought. Saban probably is thrown agast a bit by the lack of prep and cohesion that started at times way before the NCG. But it reared it's ugly head in a big way that night. Years of losing coordinators finally caught up, I think. How he hires this year is step one, but we may struggle in year 1. So, to me, it's what happens after year 1 of the coaching staff rebuild. Do they all dart again, or can we have some continuity? If they do dart, then we have an answer to why: it's Saban.

I have thought of him as the ultimate football coach, and he's proven that. But, in your gut, you wondered HOW? I did. And we may have the answer now: working people to death. Seeing how Dabo does it, while I don't care for it, the results speak for themselves. They win too.

I'll still prefer Saban over Dabo, but I'm old school in that the HC is the HEAD of it ALL. I'm 43, and I remember Stallings, and thought of him that way too. And Bryant, for what little I knew of him. The nice guy act hasn't worked in Tuscaloosa. See, Mike Shula.
 
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I believe Saban has tried but having difficulty. Do we believe he would choose a Butch Jones over a more proven OC, or is that just he is left with?Maybe the reason it is difficult to poach is that some might be afraid, as some recruits are, that Saban won’t be around much longer. Could also be that with the Dabo method and the profession evolving, that they don’t have to endure the hard-nosed types in order to be successful. Lastly it could be that Saban has reached the bottom of the barrel in terms of coaches. I honestly don’t think Saban himself could really answer that question though.

Maybe if he created a better work environment, people would not be so ready to jump and replacing those that do might become easier.
 
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I think he could handle one of those two latter roles, at least for a year. However, Jones over Sark for OC just makes no sense...

I agree. I also don't think Sark would come back to Bama unless he was the OC.
 
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I'm concerned over the staff but I'm willing to let this play out. The knee jerk reaction is that Alabama is somehow miles behind Clemson now but the score of the game did not reflect the gap. Yes, Clemson was better. If we played the game 5 more times I think they would win all five games. But Alabama has historically won championships when their secondary was filled with veteran players. It seemed everything fed off of that, the sacks and turnovers increased dramatically. and for several of those championships we won with mediocre quarterbacking. We played the season with all first year starters in the secondary and after injuries took out the only pass rush we had the whole thing fell apart. Add to that Tua getting owned by Clemson's DC and you get a blowout.

Alabama enters next season with a number of experienced BD's. that's a critical piece. They need to keep the pass rushers off the operating table, that's also pretty important. If we can add some better MLB play this defense should be a top 3 defense. Then I don't know, we return a FEW offensive weapons and if we can get some better run blocking. There is no reason we can't return to the playoffs. When we get there if we face Clemson we will NOT face that sideline to sideline wall of 1st round draft level defensive line talent. Talking those guys into staying was one of the best recruiting jobs we've seen in modern college football, but they are gone now. Their replacements will be good, but they won't be that good, and they will be carrying the weight of defending champion, the crown is heavy.

So if you are a coach and want to win a championship you can take your shot anywhere but reasonably next years champion will likely be one of the following, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. It's possible someone else could sneak up there but it's a long shot. So what would you do if you wanted stories to tell your grandkids one day, coach another year and be happy with a bowl game or stand with the big trophy at the end. If you're not the latter, you probably don't belong at Alabama because that's why we play the game down here.
Well stated. Great analysis. What was missing for the 2018 squad was dependable standouts in the secondary. We got burned a lot, and not just in the NCG. Look at the games where we ran up a big lead, and the other team chipped into it. Really surprised that the games against LSU and MSU turned into shutouts, but the story there was playing against QB's who, advertised as dual threat, weren't really. Fitzgerald preferred to run. Our DB's held their own. #92 and that defensive front handled Fitz. Burrow is a thrower, and LSU didn't have a standout RB, so, we could just blitz away and let Burrow make throwing mistakes.

But look at Arkansas. Scored way too many points in the second half. Look at Louisville. Scored way too many points in the 2nd half. Look at Oklahoma. Outscored us by a wide margin once we got the lead. Georgia came out and dominated our defense in the first half plus, until Kirby did a UGA thing and played dumb. And then, there was Clemson, who could have thrown for 1000 yards if they had needed to. Didn't need to. We were so ineffective in coverage, it wasn't necessary.

This season was a HUGE success, but ending the way it did, has a different feel. What was looking to be the greatest Alabama team had HUGE defensive deficiencies, and we all sort of knew they were there.
 
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Maybe if he created a better work environment, people would not be so ready to jump and replacing those that do might become easier.

WOW...I am worn out from just reading this thread....Consider this narrative: rather than jump quickly as he has in recent years CNS is interviewing, calling and taking his time to get the right person in the right place. Maybe he has had enough of young, talented coaches who aren't quite ready for coordinator positions...or who don't want to put in the extra work it takes to make a million dollars a year. That's why he's keeping BJ around...for his lack of success as a head coach he is a really good coach who knows football -- evidently the players like him as well. (see response after our UT beatdown.) He also knows what failure feels like and how to come back from it -- and he can work cheap as well.
I am sure there are at least 100 qualified coaches willing to walk to Tuscaloosa to work with CNS. Hmm, there are at least 50 on this venue alone!
 
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Maybe if he created a better work environment, people would not be so ready to jump and replacing those that do might become easier.

I don't want a HC who serves the staff Doughnuts and coffee.
I prefer the Taskmaster, that tells the staff what he expects, and holds em accountable if they don't meet his standard.
(I'm Old School)
 
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Butch Jones is popular with the players but I think it is fair to say he'd be the lesser qualified of the two options as an OC. Sarkisian's career as an OC is fantastic on the balance. He was adequate in the NFL despite Atlanta Falcons homers wanting to lay all the blame for their lack of success on his feet. Falcons fans don't want to accept that maybe their current mix of players is just not really built to win championships to such a degree that they hot potato'd an easy Super Bowl win away. Talent is there but I think at several critical positions they have big game chokers who will find a way to lose (I'm talking about Matt Ryan, Falcon homers). Matt Ryan is the Tajh Boyd of the NFL. Big numbers. Lots of great games. But if the game matters then bet on him screwing it up at some point.
 
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Maybe if he created a better work environment, people would not be so ready to jump and replacing those that do might become easier.

If the corporate world is having to adapt to how to deal with employees from a different generation. Then it makes sense at some point the football world will to. I don't watch a lot of NFL but a few weeks ago there was a piece on the Rams head coach, Sean McVay. They interviewed a few of the players and asked what he was like at practice and his behavior when he got upset. Old school coaches like CNS blow their tops, yell and scream. Apparently McVay does not do this but rather indicates he's mad by verbally telling those around him the "anger sharks" are swimming around his head.


http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/131596/anger-sharks-we-not-me-straight-gs-learn-the-sean-mcvay-lingo

Anger sharks, they’re from the movie “Anger Management.”

McVay, apparently, has this thing, when he’ll be out at practice and he’s just not getting the look he wants.

But instead of losing his cool, the hyper head coach will swirl his hands around his dome and start talking about the anger sharks swimming in his head.
 
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My belief is that Saban is not only one of the smartest guys out there, but also the hardest working. That combination is always going to lead to success in any endeavor. Coaches work for him because they will learn every aspect of what makes a winner and see their own personal value rise when other programs are looking for coaches. But "work life balance" is probably not going to be offered under Coach Saban...ever...especially since he surely works as hard or harder then any of his assistants do!
 
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That's an interesting thought. Saban probably is thrown agast a bit by the lack of prep and cohesion that started at times way before the NCG. But it reared it's ugly head in a big way that night. Years of losing coordinators finally caught up, I think. How he hires this year is step one, but we may struggle in year 1. So, to me, it's what happens after year 1 of the coaching staff rebuild. Do they all dart again, or can we have some continuity? If they do dart, then we have an answer to why: it's Saban.

I have thought of him as the ultimate football coach, and he's proven that. But, in your gut, you wondered HOW? I did. And we may have the answer now: working people to death. Seeing how Dabo does it, while I don't care for it, the results speak for themselves. They win too.

I'll still prefer Saban over Dabo, but I'm old school in that the HC is the HEAD of it ALL. I'm 43, and I remember Stallings, and thought of him that way too. And Bryant, for what little I knew of him. The nice guy act hasn't worked in Tuscaloosa. See, Mike Shula.

Come on! There have always been more than one way to win. Nick’s way works, and so does Dabo’s. Dabo has been fortunate enough to get quality coaches with little ambition for an upward career. Happy as assistants. That’s why he has been good the last few years. Nick recruits different types of coaches. It really wouldn’t be fair if Nick kept all of his coaches for 6-7 years. No team would ever beat them. The only chance CFB has is the coaching turnover in Tuscaloosa!
 
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I'm more concerned about our offense than I am with defense for some reason. I'm not sure if Butch Jones would be good choice for OC Spot.
His time as OC at Central Michigan:
2001: Points/G: 22.8 (83rd of 117)
2002: Points/G: 22.2 (92nd of 117)
2003: Points/G: 23.1 (79th of 117)

and then we have this article on Butch's offense at Tennessee: https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/tennessee-inside-zone-smashmouth-spread/

If he knows the concept, if he can call the right plays in right situation, then maybe we'll be okay. We'll find out on A Day and see if we can get an idea of how he will call plays here and there.
 
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Is Sark actually IN Tuscaloosa? Is he calling recruits or whatever coaches do this time of year? This is just such a strange story.

I am going to just say this and then butt out: I can not see any way Sark turned down the OC job at Arizona (NFL) to come to Bama to be our QB coach. Surely he is the OC? I can't believe there is even a question about that, unless he isn't really employed by the school and this is just talk.

So then we get to the idea of whether or not Sark is any good as an OC? Another strange question. Let me just ask this: given a choice between Mike Locksley's body of work and Steve Sarkisian's, who would you rather have? The man coached one game for us against a very good Clemson team featuring DeShaun Watson, with a quarterback who was a freshman and not an accomplished thrower, and lost his biggest weapon during the game. And this is how we judge the guy? We lost because the defense allowed Clemson to march straight down the field in what, a minute 20 seconds? And it's Sark's fault?

One thing this crazy two weeks has done has brought a lot of ugliness out into the open, and I look on that as a good thing. So there was a lack of staff cohesion that may have affected the team and split them into different camps. Well, we have the best program director in the history of college football on the job. I think he can fix it. We know we have the talent to win at a high level. Now all we have to do is get everyone working in the same direction and coach them so that they can fulfill their promise. It's doable, and this is not a time to freak out or panic. It's a time to look forward to even better things.

jmo rtr
 
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I hope Saban is able to right the ship and ride off into the sunset on his own terms.

But I think we need to be open to the possibility that his way of doing things is not the only way to do them, and other coaches may find it preferable to coach somewhere else.
 
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I don't know why everyone gets suckered in by Dabo's "Aw shucks I'm a country boy who ain't never been to these parts, what is that ball of sticks rolling down the highway? Tumbleweed? Never seen one before" act. He sure was cussing and mad when Alabama converted one of those early fourth down attempts "Do your damn job." He is not so different. He just cuts his own pay to keep his assistants. Also: do you think that the comments out of Renfroe's mouth are from a vacuum? Call me cynical, but I believe they reflect what is said among his coaches, including Dabo. He wants to win, just like Saban. It takes work and preparation. No substitute.
 
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