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Question: So What Should Bama do different on Defense

BamaFlum said:
My first thought is start looking at more home grown talent that may not be the flashy 5 star but will give his heart and soul to the program. I’m thinking an Alabama Josh Jacobs type player. Find those 3 and low 4 star kids that just exude Crimson blood and sprinkle in the national 5 stars. We won’t win the “recruiting” trophy anymore but we will have a roster full of kids that probably will stick around longer and give their blood, sweat, and tears to the program.

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BamaFlum said:
My first thought is start looking at more home grown talent that may not be the flashy 5 star but will give his heart and soul to the program. I’m thinking an Alabama Josh Jacobs type player. Find those 3 and low 4 star kids that just exude Crimson blood and sprinkle in the national 5 stars. We won’t win the “recruiting” trophy anymore but we will have a roster full of kids that probably will stick around longer and give their blood, sweat, and tears to the program.
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Wasn't Barrett Jones a 3 star recruit?
 
Everything you read from Bama defensive players in the NFL has them saying NFL defenses are easy when you compare what they had to learn at Bama. I think that is a huge issue: Saban's scheme is extremely complicated and there is too much thinking and not as much reacting. My thing is he has 4 and 5 star talent - simplify the defense and let players make plays.
 
tidehawk said:
Everything you read from Bama defensive players in the NFL has them saying NFL defenses are easy when you compare what they had to learn at Bama. I think that is a huge issue: Saban's scheme is extremely complicated and there is too much thinking and not as much reacting. My thing is he has 4 and 5 star talent - simplify the defense and let players make plays.
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I've heard others say that the defense needs to be simplified...…………...maybe that's what needs to be done
 
TIDE-HSV said:
Our use of the 3/4 has decreased so much, we're already moving in the direction of it's being our "base defense" in name only. We're also moving in the direction of lighter, more mobile players. Of course, one trade-off is the effect on tackling...
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We're already there. I've tracked it over the last 4 seasons and we are only in the 3-4 between 20-25% of the time. the reality is our base is nickel. Our second most used package is dime.

Discussions like this will ask:

is the 3-4 outdated? Should we change? the answer is we already did. We even have 3 different groupings for our nickel packages now.

The next question is: should we have hybrid players that are more versatile? last I looked that's exactly what the Star and Money positions we use are. Te OLB spots also have a lot more versatility in what they are expected to do now. Even though we have not added a new 'position', we definitely have added a new LB role to the mix. We most often fill it with an OLB, but sometimes have used an ILB.

Then it's about the coverage scheme, but the reality there is we use EVERY coverage scheme imaginable. that's the only one I think is debatable, as I could see there being some benefit to not having quite as many options to reduce the chances for a miscommunication.

That could be the crux of the whole issue, really. Regardless of the alignment (3-4, 4-3, 3-3, 4-2, or 2-4) our defense is pretty complicated. Some past players have said it's more complicated than the NFL defenses they go on to play in. maybe it's a bit to complex, and that causes some of the misses we see with players taking the wrong assignments, etc...
 
TexasBama said:
I think a big part of our issues have been personnel. I don't think we've had a bona fide lock-down corner in a while. And injuries caught up at LB.

Interesting observations - I looked through several NFL rosters than run a 3-4, and in all cases, with Donta the exception, the ILBs are lighter than the OLBs. Also, Mark Barron is playing ILB at 230 pounds.
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our scheme has been the same for the most part since mosely. Foster was 230, Evans was 235, Wilson was 235. SDH was sub 230. Moses would have been 235ish. Ragland was the biggest at 245ish. All the OLB's have been 255-265+. Harris (244) and Lee (245) are the biggest starting ILB combo in a long, long time. That's why I think Kennedy has a shot as a spot next year as a TF if he can gain a few pounds.

earlier some mentioned Lee isn't the model for today's ILB, and I think that's the case. he's got to slim down and get a bit more fluid or he's going to have hard time keeping his spot. I don't see a move to OLB being in the cards either. He's listed at 6', but looks more 5'10". Our shortest productive OLBs have all been 6'3" + except anderson.
 
gtgilbert said:
We're already there. I've tracked it over the last 4 seasons and we are only in the 3-4 between 20-25% of the time. the reality is our base is nickel. Our second most used package is dime.
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Maybe we need a quarter package...or fifty-cent...

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Before we played Auburn I got blew up on this forum for suggesting Gus has figured out Sabans defense and the we need to revamp the defense like he did the offense. I would like to see more pass rush and no more of the mush rush. DB play is somewhat solid so more emphasis on DL and bringing 4 to 5 guys at all times instead of rushing 3 and sitting back and let the QB pick us apart.
 
92teamownsall said:
Before we played Auburn I got blew up on this forum for suggesting Gus has figured out Sabans defense and the we need to revamp the defense like he did the offense. I would like to see more pass rush and no more of the mush rush. DB play is somewhat solid so more emphasis on DL and bringing 4 to 5 guys at all times instead of rushing 3 and sitting back and let the QB pick us apart.
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You think that you lost because Gus has figured out Saban's defense? That's your takeaway from that game?
 
I did not say that was the reason we lost the game. Being that Gus has almost a 50/50 record vs Saban, better than any other coach and less talented players I dont think its that big of a stretch to say Gus and his offense give Saban trouble when teams like Ole Miss can hold them to 20. Even with second string defense we should be able to contain them better than we did. You think our defense is flawless apparently.
 
92teamownsall said:
Before we played Auburn I got blew up on this forum for suggesting Gus has figured out Sabans defense and the we need to revamp the defense like he did the offense. I would like to see more pass rush and no more of the mush rush. DB play is somewhat solid so more emphasis on DL and bringing 4 to 5 guys at all times instead of rushing 3 and sitting back and let the QB pick us apart.
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I’ve had many of the same thoughts you have. I think we do see the glaring need to make changes. I believe CNS sees it too. I’m hoping the new defensive coordinator he brings in will be of the ilk of Pruitt or Kirby.


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I think people are overreacting a little regarding Defense. there is nothing wrong with Defense Alabama runs. the issue is the personnel and the personnel we had were very thin and they weren't ready. There is way to fix the glaring issues we had this offseason:

1. As of now, we have this:
DC/ILB- Peter Golding
DL-Brian Baker
Safeties- Charles Kelly
OLB- Sal Sunersi
CB-Karl Scott
Jeff Banks- Special Team/TE
So if there is changes needed to be made, we have several options:
1. Swap ILB/OLB with Peter/Sal Sunseri. I think we had a coach, (Kirby Smart did this a while back?)
2. Let Karl Scott go. I think He was part of rumor last year that he was being let go.
If so, Slide Charles Kelly to DB position and hire a safeties coach.
3. I wonder if Bo Davis is willing to come back to Alabama? If so, what does that mean for Baker? Will he slide into another position?

So basically, That's lot of movements and we don't want to mess up the chemistry of the team.
Honestly, I think Golding should get another chance, but we need someone to really know the game and help him. Not sure if Kelly is the answer.
 
92teamownsall said:
I did not say that was the reason we lost the game. Being that Gus has almost a 50/50 record vs Saban, better than any other coach and less talented players I dont think its that big of a stretch to say Gus and his offense give Saban trouble when teams like Ole Miss can hold them to 20. Even with second string defense we should be able to contain them better than we did. You think our defense is flawless apparently.
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No - I think the last two years have been a result of things other than the system.
 
92teamownsall said:
I did not say that was the reason we lost the game. Being that Gus has almost a 50/50 record vs Saban, better than any other coach and less talented players I dont think its that big of a stretch to say Gus and his offense give Saban trouble when teams like Ole Miss can hold them to 20. Even with second string defense we should be able to contain them better than we did. You think our defense is flawless apparently.
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Ole Miss isn’t his cross state rival. Ole miss isn’t the team his fans want to beat more than they want to win national titles. Ole miss just isn’t. Gus doesn’t leave the sprinklers on for Ole Miss. Gus plays the emotion card for those underdogs, not good enough to play at Bama, and state grown guys who know the importance of the game. That’s why he’s almost even with Saban.


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Does anybody have a idea what team has had the most success against these high-powered offenses? I know Saban is 3-4 through and through but I’m surprised he hasn’t ventured around to see who is having some type of success slowing it down at least.
 
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