Question: Common man doesn’t understand huge contracts that eat up salary space

[TideEngineer08]

It appears to me that the teams who hire effective GM's and allow them to run player personnel are the most effective in winning games. San Francisco has an expensive QB in Garoppolo but obviously have one, if not the, most talented teams in the league. As a long time observer of the Packers it appears that their QB's attitude has become toxic to the extent that he takes all of the dollars and has precious little talent to catch and run the football. A sad state of affairs.

There was certainly a gulf of difference between the two teams, even accounting for Rogers being one of the best QBs of the last 20 years. Heck Jimmy G. threw less than 10 passes the entire game.

 

[Crimson1967]

Tommy Nobis wasn’t a bad draft pick. He had a solid career and made several Pro Bowls. The #2 pick that year was Tom Mack, who is in Canton. But I doubt they are any better off with Mack.

Glanville was a joke and a bad hire. Almost as bad as hiring Marion Campbell a second time.

 

[TraskiTideFan]

So rumor is that Brady has hit his good will limit on his salary and is wanting to get paid after this past season. And he is willing to bolt New England for the dough since this will probably be his last contract. They were kicking around a lot of names on ESPN's NFL show at lunch today on possible replacement QB's for the Pats. Scam's name even got mentioned.

 

[B1GTide]

So rumor is that Brady has hit his good will limit on his salary and is wanting to get paid after this past season. And he is willing to bolt New England for the dough since this will probably be his last contract. They were kicking around a lot of names on ESPN's NFL show at lunch today on possible replacement QB's for the Pats. Scam's name even got mentioned.

I heard that the day after the Pats lost, but I doubt that he gets paid that much given his performance last year.

 

[TitleWave]

It appears to me that the teams who hire effective GM's and allow them to run player personnel are the most effective in winning games. San Francisco has an expensive QB in Garoppolo but obviously have one, if not the, most talented teams in the league. As a long time observer of the Packers it appears that their QB's attitude has become toxic to the extent that he takes all of the dollars and has precious little talent to catch and run the football. A sad state of affairs.

Respectfully submitted, GB should absolve itself of this sad state of affairs by trading Rodgers to a contending team for whatever draft choices they can get while he still has a couple of $30-$35M seasons left, then work to reinvigorate the existing sadder state of affairs - namely there's still no "D" in Green Bay - by rebuilding the franchise on both sides of the ball as the 49ers did with their "dregs" years after Hairball. Because Rodgers could play 'til he turns 100 and retain his form (if not his peak salary) over that time, but the Packers ain't getting within smelling salt distance of the Super Bowl until they figure out how to cover TEs and not have their back end experience entire seasons of "hit-and-run (and get flattened) collisions" against the run while getting "toasted" for their ineptitude in cover-2 or whatever purported secondary scheme they're showing. (Remember Capers' "psycho defense" with one down DL and some kind of intestinal flu-alignment off the LOS? Actually, I don't want to broach "intestinal flu" in any manifestation because it reminds me how puny the Packers' [alleged] LBs have played for the last 25 years or so...)

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Sadly, no.

Me neither, but I would like to have the kind of money where that would be an issue. They don't pay architects that much money.

 

[MDBSnare]

Look, $50M is only 50,000,000. Just 2 commas like 1,000,000!! What's the big deal - 2 commas is 2 commas! Doesn't take an accountant to see that.

 

[81usaf92]

I believe that Tom Brady and Drew Brees have done this in the past.

Brady also has the advantage of his wife making a lot more than him. Brees has a ton of endorsements. Not every qb can do that.

 

[B1GTide]

Brady also has the advantage of his wife making a lot more than him. Brees has a ton of endorsements. Not every qb can do that.

Really? Other QBs can't get by on $15MM/year? Please.

 

[TraskiTideFan]

Look, $50M is only 50,000,000. Just 2 commas like 1,000,000!! What's the big deal - 2 commas is 2 commas! Doesn't take an accountant to see that.

That sounds like Political math there.......

 

[81usaf92]

Really? Other QBs can't get by on $15MM/year? Please.

They can, but I think the Andrew Luck, and RGIII scare is real amongst mobile NFL quarterbacks so I can understand why qbs like Mahomes wants the money up front.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Mahomes is sooo good that maybe he will break the trend after his deal but....the last time a Super Bowl winning team won with a QB taking up 13% or more of their cap space was 1994 with Steve Young. This year that will hold true again regardless of who wins the Super Bowl.

QBs are incredibly important but you have to be able to build a team around them.

Ignore $ amounts and pay attention to % of Cap for team building purposes IMO.

 

[81usaf92]

Mahomes is sooo good that maybe he will break the trend after his deal but....the last time a QB of a Super Bowl winning team won with a QB taking up 13% or more of their cap space was 1994 with Steve Young. This year that will hold true again regardless of who wins the Super Bowl.

Young also had significant injuries after the Super Bowl that shortened his career tremendously. I think the style of play matters. Brady and Brees are more traditional quarterbacks that have a long NFL lifespan. They also make smart decisions with their bodies by accepting that throwing the ball away is better than a sack or trying to outrun a linebacker. I doubt Mahomes makes it to his late 30's because he is like Young in that he believes every play can be a big play, so if Im Mahomes Im asking for a Russell Wilson like contract for my second contract.

 

[TitleWave]

Tommy Nobis wasn’t a bad draft pick. He had a solid career and made several Pro Bowls. The #2 pick that year was Tom Mack, who is in Canton. But I doubt they are any better off with Mack.

Glanville was a joke and a bad hire. Almost as bad as hiring Marion Campbell a second time.

Norb Hecker uber alles! Also would ask HSV Earle if there was any validity to the old rumor that he was the "Mike Bite of the Huntsville Rockets" DFL franchise?

 

[81usaf92]

I heard that the day after the Pats lost, but I doubt that he gets paid that much given his performance last year.

It really depends on who we are talking about. A lot of the Pats offensive problems this year wasn't entirely Brady. It was the absence of a reliable TE, a dominant receiver, or your starting Center. I think he had a mediocre year, but lets not act like a lot of teams are going to say their qb issue wouldn't drastically change with Brady. I think potential buyers could be someone like the Cowboys, Raiders, Chargers, or even the Titans. All could be realistically 2 year deals at what he had this year.

But I do think the Brady-Belichick- Kraft marriage is over, and you are probably going to see Stidham as the lead man next year from stuff Ive been hearing. Belichick wanted Jimmy G to be leading awhile back when he couldve gotten a good deal on Brady, but now I think both sides are moving on their own intrests.

 

[B1GTide]

It really depends on who we are talking about. A lot of the Pats problems this year wasn't entirely Brady. It was the absence of a reliable TE, a dominant receiver, or your starting Center. I think he had a mediocre year, but lets not act like a lot of teams are going to say their qb issue wouldn't drastically change with Brady. I think potential buyers could be someone like the Cowboys, Raiders, Chargers, or even the Titans. All could be realistically 2 year deals at what he had this year

I just hope that the teams that I follow don't follow this line of thinking.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Only way I'd want my team to sign Brady is if they could somehow convince him to transition to a coaching or front office job over the next year or 2. I want all his knowledge regarding the success of the Patriots and Bellichick. Or if his cost was super low but I doubt that it would be.

You're not going to win much paying Brady a ton of money at this point IMO. He's probably going to play worse for most teams than he would for the Patriots at this point anyway.

 

[81usaf92]

I just hope that the teams that I follow don't follow this line of thinking.

Personally I think he is good for someone that needs a year to develop a qb and has some good pieces , like the Chargers or Bengals, but I think he is going to go somewhere where there is an explosive team with a lacking qb. I really think the Cowboys maybe the one team ready to break the bank for him, but maybe Dana White is trying to get his boy in Las Vegas.

But I think Brady wants two difficult things: A super Bowl and to play until 45, the latter is the most achievable because he is a very healthy guy that doesn't take needless hits, but the former would require a team in need of just one piece.

 

[81usaf92]

You're not going to win much paying Brady a ton of money at this point IMO. He's probably going to play worse for most teams than he would for the Patriots at this point anyway.

The same argument was used with Manning and Montana but both elevated teams beyond what they were capable. Good players are good players regardless of the system. I think the difficulty with Brady is his age, and that most offensive lines are on teams with elite quarterbacks. I think his best bet is with the Titans or Cowboys in that they have really good offensive lines, a rising star receiver that is willing to learn, and a dominant running back.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The same argument was used with Manning and Montana but both elevated teams beyond what they were capable. Good players are good players regardless of the system. I think the difficulty with Brady is his age, and that most offensive lines are on teams with elite quarterbacks. I think his best bet is with the Titans or Cowboys in that they have really good offensive lines, a rising star receiver that is willing to learn, and a dominant running back.

Peyton in the beginning of his Broncos stint was still Peyton. Only question was his injury. Brady doesn't seem to still be Brady at this point.

And when Peyton did win a Super Bowl for the Broncos they won in spite of Peyton not because of.

Montana is before my time so I can't speak to the context there but he was 38 when he retired and Brady is 42.