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selmaborntidefan said:
Just so we're clear on something - while I think it's a tad bit preposterous to even argue economy for any President (they don't have - in most cases - much to do with it, they just happen to be there), I have NO PROBLEM making TLP's argument on Trump.

Not because I think the economy is attributable to whomever but because TRUMP HIMSELF was touting stock market numbers and unemployment numbers. It is absolutely fair game to go after any candidate that does that, just as it was fair of Reagan to bring up Carter's gimmick "the misery index" in the 1980 debate, which Carter had used to say Ford shouldn't be re-elected.

In the fall of 1994, Bill Clinton was secretly talking to Dick Morris (or so says Morris's 1997 book). Clinton wanted to go around the country boasting about the better economic numbers in 1994 than they were in 1992. Morris told him it wouldn't work for two reasons: 1) nobody is going to give the Congressperson credit for the economy; 2) you can run on it in 96 if it stays great, but if it goes back you're stuck with it.

If Trump had done everything (or almost everything) right - and we still had 60,000 dead on the thing that couldn't be stopped, I'm fair. I'd have cut him a bit of slack on it because things DO happen to even the best of men.

But to me it's like the Christian values candidate fooling around. YOU chose the yardstick, I'm absolutely fine measuring you with the stick you chose. And Trump is the one who kept touting his economy and great numbers in unemployment which - literally - was his only argument for re-election.
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and this economy we have now is actually his fault. Had he taken this virus seriously when his intelligence people were begging him to in January we may have been able to defend ourselves without the drastic shut down measures. I'd also argue that the economy we had wasn't near as good as he purported
 
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rolltide_21 said:
That makes sense. Had a discussion about with a friend of mine who is an MD. He mentioned the same things -hypetension and diabetes- so they were more vulnerable to having complications.
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They are also less likely to go to the doctor until they are very ill or very badly injured vs. the rest of our population, for a variety of reasons (including economic conditions and insurance, but mostly cultural).
 
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It just hit me this AM that Trump and crew are handling COVID-19 like a scandal: deny it, say that maybe it's happening but isn't that bad, so on and so forth then finally, it's happening and it's bad but it doesn't matter.

Also woke up wondering how the dry cough in COVID-19 is related to ACE inhibitor induced dry cough and if that might offer a clue to us somehow. Too bad we don't fully understand the mechanism behind that one. We do know ACEi's cause a proinflammatory state in some with kinens and prostaglandin and substance P and others and that protussive substances are produced in some people taking these, but not others. If we understood that mechanism better would we understand COVID-1 better?
 
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Also woke up wondering how the dry cough in COVID-19 is related to ACE inhibitor induced dry cough and if that might offer a clue to us somehow. Too bad we don't fully understand the mechanism behind that one. We do know ACEi's cause a proinflammatory state in some with kinens and prostaglandin and substance P and others and that protussive substances are produced in some people taking these, but not others. If we understood that mechanism better would we understand COVID-1 better?
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NationalTitles17 said:
It just hit me this AM that Trump and crew are handling COVID-19 like a scandal: deny it, say that maybe it's happening but isn't that bad, so on and so forth then finally, it's happening and it's bad but it doesn't matter.
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Trump - like Don Regan (that's not a misprint folks) - is now the victim of his own doing.

Spends his entire life boasting about how "in charge" he is of things - and then the moment an actual problem comes along, "nobody could have seen this coming."

The Scandal Order (based on and modified from George Carlin)
1) It was a miscommunication (denial)
2) It's been blown out of proportion (it's not so bad)
3) We're trying to get to the bottom of this (hey we didn't know but we do now)
4) I have faith in the American people (they'll understand why I did it)
5) Mistakes were made (this is where people get fired)
6) There is no evidence.... (because he hid it)
7) But someone else did this same thing (projection)
8) Whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? (we're at the center of the storm right here)
9) I just want to put this behind me. (more of a musing than an argument
10) I'm sorry/I accept responsibility for my actions
 
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Jon said:
and this economy we have now is actually his fault. Had he taken this virus seriously when his intelligence people were begging him to in January we may have been able to defend ourselves without the drastic shut down measures. I'd also argue that the economy we had wasn't near as good as he purported
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It definitely was not! It was being supported by a trillion dollar per year deficit, aka 'stimulus'.
 
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Jon said:
and this economy we have now is actually his fault. Had he taken this virus seriously when his intelligence people were begging him to in January we may have been able to defend ourselves without the drastic shut down measures. I'd also argue that the economy we had wasn't near as good as he purported
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Actually, the economy was quite robust before the pandemic but it was spurred on by fiscally irresponsible tax cuts and defense spending. Granted, not all the jobs in this economy were great, but that is more a reflection of what happens when you transition from an economy that makes things to a service sector based one. The service sector transition has been in the making for a number of years so you can’t pin that on any individual administration. The only good I see out of this pandemic, from an economic point of view, is that it is going to wake America up to the fact that just buying everything from the cheapest country is not in our best interest in the long run. We’ve got to get back to making things here again instead of outsourcing it.
 
selmaborntidefan said:
Sitting in prison for not paying your taxes (or whatever) is taking responsibility whether one uses those words are not.

Hell, losing the election to a Beer Virus is taking responsibility for his (lack of) response.

so....yeah...
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Having consequences and taking responsibility are different concepts from where I sit.
 
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A woman, along with her adult son and husband, have been charged in the fatal shooting of a Family Dollar security guard, after he refused to let her daughter enter the shop without a face mask amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Calvin Munerlyn, 43, a father of six, was shot dead on Friday around 1.40pm while working at a Family Dollar store located at 877 Fifth Avenue in Flint, Michigan.
Sharmel Teague, her husband Larry Teague, 44, and her son Ramonyea Bishop, 23, have been charged
with first-degree premeditated murder and gun charges.
Munerlyn had told Sharmel she had to leave the store because her daughter lacked a mask, leading Teague to argue with the security guard.
A short while later two men later entered the store. Larry Teague yelled at Munerlyn about disrespecting his wife and Bishop shot Munerlyn in the back of the head, according to Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton.
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