Finebaum just said that UT and OU are coming...the universe is shattering!!!
BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report
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I’m guessing Nick sees it as a way to actually build on recruiting. “Hey Mom. We will be coming to Texas every year. You will get to see your son play. Plus we can get him a ring or three, and a million a year while in school. Plus a good chance he will be a top round draft choice. If he stays here. Well…..”
When you quote me...I read it. I don't mind you stating your opinion...I do find a personal jab offensive...we don't do that here. I disagree with a lot of posters -- and even myself at times -- but I never engage in snide attacks...you did.
Well, I take some solace in the fact that the Pac-16 move seemed like a done deal until it wasn't.
It would be pretty ironic for the era in civility in terms of SEC voting (usually unanimous) could end before Texas even joined (Missouri and Texas A&M are a hard no, they know what dealing with those two is like).
If the SEC does this, they are overplaying their hand. Florida and Texas are big states, but the west coast has a lot of media power and the northeast is obviously very influential. It's not like the committee is just going to bow down to the SEC and let Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, LSU and Georgia into the playoffs every year or something.
I’m thinking each of the Power 5 go to 16 schools and those 80 breakaway to form a new league. That may include some schools shifting out of one Power 5 conference into another.
Whatever that maybe. The “footprint” shift of each conference could get interesting.
Whatever that maybe. The “footprint” shift of each conference could get interesting.
The kicker is the statement by Booger McFarland that we are going to 3 super conferences (no Pac 12) and the NCAA will no longer exist. If that is coming, then all bets are off...
As has been stated, Texas A&M opened up the Texas/Southwest markets." Up East " ( Carolinas and Virginia ) makes a lot more sense I would think. Would make for some beautiful road trips too!
I would like to renew the Tennessee and Florida rivalries we used to have. Would hate to lose LSU though. Maybe they'll be our permanent cross division rival.
I always viewed this as a four conference situation in part because of the Pac-12. Geographically they are so isolated that it made more sense for them to try to add teams (BYU, Texas, Boise St., Oklahoma, whomever) than for any conference to try to snipe them. Outside of Southern Cal I don't see any of them as being especially valuable. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Southern Cal over Texas in a heartbeat!
I just don't see the Pac-12 going away completely, not sure how that could happen. The ACC has long term deals but otherwise are a basketball heavy conference and on shaky ground. Big 10 and SEC are rock solid even if they don't make any moves.
The only way I see the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma as making any kind of sense anyway is if you go to a two conference breakaway. Then we're basically saying the SEC fires the first salvo here, then the Big 10 makes their moves, and they just pick from the Pac-12 and the ACC like a pick-up basketball game until they no one is left that they want. Even then though, you end up with programs like Kansas, Duke, Oregon, etc... who are not going to go quietly.
Either they turn this into a giant mess of nonsense (which they seem to be moving towards) or they move towards a much more orderly 4 super conference in which case the SEC already has their football powers and only needs a couple population/basketball type additions.
I have mapped this out in my mind before all of this broke, just war gaming scenarios. Texas and Oklahoma to any conference other than the SEC never made any sense to me. Maybe the Pac 12, but there are so many obstacles to that with time zones and culture fits. Texas to the Big Ten made zero sense whatsoever. Academics be damned, geography and culture still matter.
So if those 2 did end up in the SEC, it is obvious the Big Ten would not stand down. For them, they've already proven they value academics above all else. I realize Nebraska fell out of the AAU after joining the Big Ten. I will bet there are very hard feelings towards that from the Big Ten people that matter, but once the dotted line was signed, there was little they could do about it. Kansas and ISU are AAU schools, solid athletic fits other than football even though ISU is coming along, and geographic and cultural fits with the western half of the Big Ten. It makes perfect sense.
I too felt the Pac 12 would make a play at the better scraps left from the Big 12, in an effort to stay relevant. There is literally nothing else out there for them. As you said, Boise and BYU are non-starters. West Virginia makes perfect sense for the ACC as they would rejoin Pittsburgh. They are seen as a lesser school academically, but I doubt that will matter much anymore. Hell, the ACC took Louisville on, didn't they? Cincinnati makes sense as well, unless they can get Notre Dame to join full time.
Boise and BYU aren’t getting an invitation from the PAC 12. They would most likely take a few Big XII remnants or someone like Wyoming.
A move East greatly benefits Auburn, IMO. Us? Not so much, although we have recruited Georgia and Florida heavily under Coach Saban. We've made a lot of hay in Texas and Louisiana as well and losing touch with those bases will hurt, IMO.
Permanent cross division games are going away if this happens. Again, JMO.
The ACC seems to be happy with basketball and baseball schools with a few football powers. I think their most logical hypothetical additions are Cincy and West Virginia. You bring back a lot of old Big East rivalries.
Yeah I kinda doubt Alabama would take having Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, or Texas as permanent rivals when LSU and MSU are more dear to them.
Agreed. I think they fit in quite well. It would help WVU a lot. The Big 12 move was necessary for survival at the time, but it's hurt them greatly with the travel and loss of recruiting identity. They are a northeastern school.
In this scenario we're talking survival though right? If people are saying there's going to be no Pac-12, I just see too many potential additions for the Pac-12 to actually die rather than make aggressive moves. I doubt the Pac-12 would ever be like, man if we have to add BYU I'd rather just die as a conference, but may be...
There was supposed to be no more Big 12, they added TCU and West Virginia, which I think were laughable additions but they did serve the purpose of doing something to keep from crumbling immediately. I don't see an easy way to kill the Pac-12 and as you alluded to they can feed on the Big 12 remnants.
This kind of goes back to why I don't see the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma as a kill shot, I see it more as a bumbling advance that might lead to falling flat on their face. If the state of California is in play for example, why on earth are they piddling around with Oklahoma? In either case, other conferences are going to defend themselves.
Well for LSU, in cross-division terms, how important is that Florida game? It's always one of the bigger games of the year, but there has been a lot of bad back and forth between the two over the last decade. I get the sense neither one really cares if the game continues.
I just think the whole cross-division thing loses relevance in this new scenario. Plus, there simply isn't going to be room on the schedules for it. You need more of a rotation, otherwise you're going a decade before seeing some of these teams. Obviously, one of the draws to this is regular OU/Alabama, OU/Florida, Texas/Alabama, etc games. Well that does not happen with any regularity at all if you have protected cross-division games.
But they didn’t add Houston… because Texas didn’t like the idea of having to deal with Tillman Ferrtita. Houston is far more of an athletic powerhouse than either TCU or West Virginia. The point is there are many fish in the sea.
The PAC 12 is way more likely to add Boise than BYU, but I highly doubt that either makes the cut. Texas Tech, Wyoming, TCU, and Nevada are probably their 4 because it makes too much sense.
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