Kyle Rittenhouse a hero? (update - not guilty on all charges)

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You mean like convicting him of murder before the trial?

The evidence is pretty clear. We'll see what the jury says, though if he's acquitted I'm sure it will be because everyone who disagrees with you doesn't understand self defense. :ROFLMAO:
No, if you have actually read my posts then you would know that I fully expect him to walk. But you go ahead and keep being you.
 
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There are a lot of attorneys out there giggling at how this catches so many people by surprise. Some judges are weird and practically all of them think modern technology is indistinguishable from magic.
You are probably aware that we are prohibited from sharing our opinions of our local judges publicly, 1st Amendment be damned. However, we do share amongst ourselves. There are a lot of people on the bench who probably don't belong there. So long as it's a political process, an election, then that will be true...
 

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Well I don't think I'm a racist, but if I'm on that jury it's either returning a not guilty verdict or I hang it. Kyle Rittenhouse is a imbecile, but he is not guilty of murder.
I tend to agree. I notice that, in WI, "lesser included offenses" is a matter of agreement, rather than being automatic. If I followed correctly, they are now part of the charges, at least in the Huber incident. I think something in the way of manslaughter, whatever their terminology is there, 2nd degree intentional homicide, I think, is appropriate. Sometimes, here the lesser included offenses sometimes lead to verdicts which seem nonsensical, inappropriate to the facts before the jury. What has happened there is the jury doesn't like the cubbyholes in the law and decide to use jury nullification to assess what they feel is the appropriate punishment. Having said that I think manslaughter is appropriate, I think the jury lets him off on self-defense. If there had been much possibility of anything else, the judge's thumb on the scales ruled it out...
 

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Does he not have a clerk he could ask for help on things like that?

I remember once a SCOTUS case involved gay rights and one justice (I think he was even seen as a liberal) lamented to his clerk he couldn’t relate to the case because he didn’t know any gay people.

The clerk was gay.
 
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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
You are probably aware that we are prohibited from sharing our opinions of our local judges publicly, 1st Amendment be damned. However, we do share amongst ourselves. There are a lot of people on the bench who probably don't belong there. So long as it's a political process, an election, then that will be true...
One of the best follows on Twitter is Ken White, a former AUSA and current criminal defense attorney whose nom de plume is Popehat.

Guy has more "judges are crazy/stupid/mean" stories than you can shake a stick at, and they're all hilarious.
 
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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
Does he not have a clerk he could ask for help on things like that?

I remember once a SCOTUS case involved gay rights and one justice (I think he was even seen as a liberal) lamented to his clerk he couldn’t relate to the case because he didn’t know any gay people.

The clerk was gay.
Hell the SCOTUS has more clerks than a Kevin Smith film. It's amazing how modern tech might as well be black magic in many of their opinions.
 
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