OC and DC replacement discussion

[UAH]

I too am puzzled by the OL’s inconsistency. Way too many pressures on Bryce and way too many running plays stuffed.

Even if we did no evaluation whatsoever, and just randomly chose 14 HS OLs rated 4 stars or better, you’d still have to say it’s a talented group.

Is it coaching? Wolford seems to be getting slightly better results than Marrone, but not a ton. Is it development? Is it meshing blocking schemes with the goal of the play? Is it offensive philosophy? Is it physical strength?

Things do seem to have gotten marginally better with McClellan getting more carries. But it‘s a small sample, and a material portion of it was Austin Peay, so I’m not sure how much you can read into that.

I’m at a loss. We should be at the top of the SEC, and the reality is that we can only wish were middle of the pack.

I don’t know what the problem is, but I know we should be better.

I am completely confident that when Bryce gets into a call at the line and spends 20 seconds holding the line in their stance it greatly diminishes their effectiveness for a number of reasons. I expect that we will see a physically inferior line at Auburn be more effective in run blocking. It is more of a matter of commitment and understanding the assignment at the point of attack.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I am completely confident that when Bryce gets into a call at the line and spends 20 seconds holding the line in their stance it greatly diminishes their effectiveness for a number of reasons. I expect that we will see a physically inferior line at Auburn be more effective in run blocking. It is more of a matter of commitment and understanding the assignment at the point of attack.

Yep! Getting to the line and getting the play off fast is one of the pillars of success for most offenses, regardless of style. The longer the offense stays in pre-snap the more time the defense has to not only make call adjustments but also has more time to analyze the formation the offense is in. The majority of our plays this season aren't snapped until we're within 10 seconds of the play clock or 5, which both is too long of a wait to be snapping the ball.

 

[Con]

I think the OL problems stem from the clock running down and they know when we are going to snap the ball so their get off is quick. It is like the drill in practice where the OL is blocking 1 vs 1 and the guy on defense just pins his ears back and attacks because he knows the snap count too or like a scout team player who plays offense comes over to play defense and knows the signals the coach uses for the plays so he looks like an All America during a scrimmage. The teams we play are well coached and the players are still good. We have to change things up and have "creativity" on offenses.

edit: I meant to quote @UAH from above's post about the OL.

 

[AlexanderFan]

We've recruited well on the OL over the last few years relative to recruiting rankings. We either aren't developing them or some just aren't panning out.

OT - Booker - 5 star FR
OT - Latham - 5 star SO
OT - T. Brockermeyer - 5 star RS FR (has he ever played)
OG - Ekiyor - 4 star RS SR
OG - Brockermeyer - 4 star RS FR (don't think eitehr brother has played)
OG - Ferguson - 4 star RS FR
OG - Dalcourt - 4 star SR
OG - Roberts - 4 star RS FR
OT - Bowles - 4 star RS JR
OT - Pritchett - 4 star FR
OT - Randolph - 4 star RS SR (has moved back and forth to TE and OT)
OT - Cohen - 4 star JR
OT - George - 4 star JR
OT - Kight - 4 star RS JR (backs up Steen, a transfer)

Now, get this, 2 of our starters after all those highly recruited guys......
C - McLaughlin - 3 star RS SO
OT - Steen - 3 star SR transfer

We either aren't developing all that talent or we are completely missing on the evaluations.

The tackle Brock was on the field Saturday.

I agree, there’s a piece missing in the evaluation.

 

[CB4]

Yep! Getting to the line and getting the play off fast is one of the pillars of success for most offenses, regardless of style. The longer the offense stays in pre-snap the more time the defense has to not only make call adjustments but also has more time to analyze the formation the offense is in. The majority of our plays this season aren't snapped until we're within 10 seconds of the play clock or 5, which both is too long of a wait to be snapping the ball.

This is the reason BOB should refund every darn dime he has made as OC the last two years. Bryce is guy responsible for the decision making. BOB is up there swilling down Diet Coke and probably logged into Call of Duty on his headset.

 

[Cruloc]

This is the reason BOB should refund every darn dime he has made as OC the last two years. Bryce is guy responsible for the decision making. BOB is up there swilling down Diet Coke and probably logged into Call of Duty on his headset.

BOB seems more of a Tetris man.

 

[bamamc1]

BOB seems more of a Tetris man.

"Space Invaders" That happens a lot to our offensive line.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Actually, BOB seems like a fogging a mirror and writing his name on it with his finger, type guy of guy.

 

[GrayTide]

Those were good points about the time the OL is waiting on the snap count. The only thing I can say to that is that CNS and O'Brien are heavily influenced by their NFL stints and philosophy. I realize one of CNS's recruiting pitches is to get the recruit NFL ready. My reaction is maybe the focus is too much on what the NFL does and not enough time on the difference in college football, the spirit, the enthusiasm, the emotion and not so much on "it is nothing more than a business trip".

 

[AlexanderFan]

Those were good points about the time the OL is waiting on the snap count. The only thing I can say to that is that CNS and O'Brien are heavily influenced by their NFL stints and philosophy. I realize one of CNS's recruiting pitches is to get the recruit NFL ready. My reaction is maybe the focus is too much on what the NFL does and not enough time on the difference in college football, the spirit, the enthusiasm, the emotion and not so much on "it is nothing more than a business trip".

This is why Bama struggles with Auburn and LSU during Miles’ tenure, it means more to them to win THAT GAME and the emotion has carried them to wins before. I understand Saban’s approach, and when you’re the HUNTED, it’s most likely the best approach for long term success. I would still like to see our guys fired up from time to time.

 

[UAH]

Those were good points about the time the OL is waiting on the snap count. The only thing I can say to that is that CNS and O'Brien are heavily influenced by their NFL stints and philosophy. I realize one of CNS's recruiting pitches is to get the recruit NFL ready. My reaction is maybe the focus is too much on what the NFL does and not enough time on the difference in college football, the spirit, the enthusiasm, the emotion and not so much on "it is nothing more than a business trip".

Some of that as well has become very outdated. Looking back at Payton Manning and Aaron Rogers in their best years. Modern NFL offenses are much more into RPO's and read options today. Quick play calls in and out of the huddle and getting the play off. More similar to Tennessee style offense than 1980's NFL. BoB couldn't make his offense work at Houston with one of the best QB's in the game. I recall TideHSV commenting on his play calling at Houston when we were just out of the gate with him at Alabama.

 

[Cruloc]

Some of that as well has become very outdated. Looking back at Payton Manning and Aaron Rogers in their best years. Modern NFL offenses are much more into RPO's and read options today. Quick play calls in and out of the huddle and getting the play off. More similar to Tennessee style offense than 1980's NFL. BoB couldn't make his offense work at Houston with one of the best QB's in the game. I recall TideHSV commenting on his play calling at Houston when we were just out of the gate with him at Alabama.

Hopefully....BOB has just 2 games left as Bama's OC. I'm curious to see what direction Saban goes with the next OC.

 

[JDCrimson]

To add further, Bob doesn't use much pre-snap motion so Bryce is standing there guessing what coverage the defense going to employ and guess where the blitz is going to come from. In with lack of motion the defense gets a 40s breather even if they cant substitute. We are like sitting ducks on a pond for the defense...

Again it's coaching malpractice how he has orchestrated this offense...

 

[VirginiaTide57]

Hopefully....BOB has just 2 games left as Bama's OC. I'm curious to see what direction Saban goes with the next OC.

or wait another year for Sark to return!

 

[Joefus]

I am completely confident that when Bryce gets into a call at the line and spends 20 seconds holding the line in their stance it greatly diminishes their effectiveness for a number of reasons. I expect that we will see a physically inferior line at Auburn be more effective in run blocking. It is more of a matter of commitment and understanding the assignment at the point of attack.

Didn’t seem to hurt us when lane was the coach and he’d take every last sec to send a new play in

 

[BearFoot]

BOB seems more of a Tetris man.

Nope…
it’s “Pong” or it’s nothing at all

 

[Con]

Didn’t seem to hurt us when lane was the coach and he’d take every last sec to send a new play in

He has definitely changed that play calling tactic.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Nope…
it’s “Pong” or it’s nothing at all

I always assumed Tecmo Bowl or Super Tecmo Bowl since he only uses 4-8 plays.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

BOB seems more of a Tetris man.

I was thinking more of a Q-Bert type..............the way he hops around play calling

 

[colbysullivan]

Upon further review I may should have posted this in this thread but I posted it in the good, bad, and ugly since pretty much it is, well more a lot of great, some good, little bad, and way too much ugly. Sorry if I messed up. This is what I have been talking about.

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